New Wonders!!!

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One of the disappointing things about Civilization 3 is that there were absolutely no new major wonders. My friend was pointing out last week, "Well, there does need to be a limit. Otherwise you are spending your whole game building wonders and nothing else."

Let's hear some of your ideas for new major wonders! Here are mine:

Arc De Triumphe -- (Modern) -- Which was dedicated to the allies in world war I... any civ that has this gets a +20% advantage in defense... and so does its allies!

Circus Maximus -- (Ancient) -- the most famous hippodrome of all time.
*All chariot and calvary units get an extra movement turn.

Castle Neushwanstein -- (Medieval) -- King Ludwig's famous castle and the most often-photographed castle in the world.
* Palace can be moved once every ten turns without cost.

The Hunley -- (Industrial) -- The Civil War submarine was the first submersible craft to score a kill (The USS Houstonic).
* First submarine attack on behalf of building nation attacks at double power.

Taj Mahal -- (Industrial) -- The largest shrine in India.
* Counts as a temple in each city, expires with Theology.

The Alamo -- (Industrial) -- Famous missionary-turned-fortress of revolutionaries that held off a staggering army.
* Cities can still use resource squares if an enemy fortifies on them, defense bonuses to all cities. But uprisings are harder to quell.

The Hague -- (Modern) -- Considered to be the ultimately non-partial tribunal in the world.
* Corruption is dropped by 10% for all nations, 20% for the owning nation.

Liberty Bell -- (Colonial) -- Famous bell from the Philadelphia Town Hall where the Continental Congress met.
* Undefended cities, when attacked, automatically draft (without penalty) a minuteman unit (like musketman unit but weaker) one time.

Nobunga's Pagoda -- (Renessiance) -- Home of one of the most famous usurper-turned-diamyos, Oda Nobunga.
* War weariness can be delayed for a considerable, and increasing, sum per turn.

Prison of Elba -- (Colonial) -- Where Napoleon Bonaparte met his anticlimactic end.
* Enemy Great Leaders may be captured after defeating their army.

Lindbergh's Flight -- (Industrial) -- Charles Lindburg completes the first trans-atlantic flight.
* Range of airborne units increased by one.

Berlin Wall -- (Modern) -- The most tangible example of the Iron Curtian.
* Increased defense against all sabotage units, city may not be spied on.
 
Well, the minor wonders are all new, and some of them are pretty cool too. Other than something to control corruption (somebody mentioned FBI, or Interpol) my own HO is that the game is pretty complete.

But thanks for an interesting post, I enjoyed reading it.
 
Well, they all sound good except for the Arc De Triumphe one. All things considered, I don't think that a defense bonus would be quite appropriate......:D
 
Here is a few others to put on the list, but I have no idea what they would actually do.

The Nazca Lines -- (Ancient) -- some drawings somewhere in South America that are so large they can only be seen from the sky, so it would probably expire with flight.

Stonehenge (Ancient)-

The Leaning Tower of Pisa

and what ever happened to the Eifeel Tower and the Statue of Liberty (which is basically a modern version of the Colussus).
 
I've noticed several of my favorite wonders are missing! I want MARCO POLO'S EMBASY back! that woudl work out INCREDIBLY well with the trade-driven stratagy I liek to follow, in Civ2 it was very useful, in Civ3 it woudl be a god send. I an currently playing a game at Regent level where I have all the other civ's paying me tons of gold each turn to reasearch for them, and giveing me all their luxuries and resources, oin a 16 civ game! I am getting on the order or 1600 gold per turn from them at the high mark, and I'd say about 900 gold per turn average it's the early 1600's and I am a small civ comapared to them, however I have 50,000 gold, and they are lucky to have 500. Marco Polo's woudl allow me to dominate them all early, probably even in a diety level game (I would imagine). I relaly have more money then I knwo what to do with and completely technilogically advanced, all my cities really have nothgint o produce... actually it's quite boring, mayeb I'll start a war. :p

** Oh, and Statue of liberty & The Eifle tower were ntohgin like you describe. Statue of Liberty: Allows you to change to any form of gov't even if you haven't discovere dit yet & there is no period of anarchy between gov'ts. Eifle tower, makes other civ's forgive you for things quicker. **

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Marco Polo's Embassy and The Statue of Liberty actually were bad for game balance in Civ 2, ESPECIALLY in multiplayer. In all my multiplayer sessions, everyone was scrambling to get the embassy because that way you get all the advanced diplomatic functions before anyone else, and you can see who is building what and where. The Chat With Kings would usually be filled with profanity-laced spiels of frustration when someone got the Embassy before them.

The Statue of Liberty let you launch wars at whim since there was no anarchy to worry about, and you can be as careless as you like with your spies, because all you had to do is click the button next to "Democracy" at the end of your turn.

The Eiffel Tower had to be the most useless wonder ever conceived for this game. Not only did does the correlation not make any sense whatsoever (The Eiffel tower was built during a world's fair and they just never took it down. How does that affect the other nations forgiving you faster?!), but by the time you get the Eiffel Tower, you should be in a dominant position in the game (Industrial Age) or you probably won't win anyway, so to hell with what other nations think!
 
The French fought constantly with England and Germany and Russia and the rest of europe throughout the modern era. Napoleon tried to conquer all of them. It's pretty impressive, all things considered, that England and Russia were willing to ally themselves with France throughout WWI and II, and that Germany and France get along today despite trying to destroy each other up until 50 years ago.

Thus, the Eiffel Tower is representative of the forgiveness other nations have accorded the French for being such a European bully in the past. It also symbolized the respect granted towards French culture on Continental Europe. With the actual culture feature, there is no real reason to have a cultural symbol, and I agree that taking out the Embassy, Statue, and Tower, as well as Fundamentalism, was a good idea. Makes a democracy more challenging, and adding the diplomatic and cultural victories make a democracy more rewarding!
 
Heh, my dad is always going on how weak the French armies have been. "They got their butts kicked in both World Wars!"

I'm like, "well yeah, but back in the time of Louis XIV and Napoleon, they were the boot and everyone else was getting kicked."

I still think the Effiel Tower is a lousy choice for forgiveness. True the French were les mal hommes on the block in colonial times, but the tower was built in the Industrial Era, which was not kind to the French, militarily.

How about another wonder:

Maginot Line - Costs tons of resources, takes a long time to build.
* - Becomes the biggest military joke for generations to come.


"Our wives redecorate our bathrooms, and what do we do? We run away like a French Soldier from a cap gun!!" - Al Bundy, Married with Children
 
I was watching a program on the Wonders of the World last week and the guy talked up the Sydney Opera House as a modern day wonder. His reasons were to do with how many people listed it as a must-see-before-I-die kind of thing.

He was quite convincing about it, well it made me wonder why it wasn't in Civ - not sure it's value in Civ though. Upping trade from tourism?
 
I am sure that it is an impressive locale, and it must have a rich history...

But it is not renown enough. I doubt many people outside Austrialia have even heard of Sydney's Opera House.

Let's remember that there are really only seven wonders of the world. Those are the ancient wonders. At a time when most people were hunting wildebeests with gnarled clubs, some civilizations created staggering achievements. I mean, really -- building the pyramids today or in the industrial age isn't that big of deal because of the machinery and technology. Building it in late prehistory is much, much more impressive. Wonders are supposed to emphasize a triumph of mankind, a crown jewel of his advancement and culture.

I don't think a mere opera house, no matter how impressive, qualifies.... but that's my opinion.

"The eighth wonder of the world is the guy who can remember the other seven." -
 
How about;

World Trade Center - Modern trading icon that gives the host nations trade percentage a boost based on the total amount of trade being conducted in the world (DOES NOT EXPIRE WITH THE DISCOVERY OF TERORISM)

ironfang
 
Well, I happen to speak Cambodian (Daaraa is Cambodian) and so a wonder I thought of is
: Ankor Wat.
--Counts as a second Forbidden Palace.
(There will be the Palace, the Forbidden Palace and Ankor Wat.)

It is still the largest religious "Shrine/Temple/Site" in the entire world. (I'm not sure how big but it's like a quarter the size of Rhode Island) In the Ancient Khmer empire which lasted for 3 or 4 centuries (6 or 7 depending on who you talk to) the capital was at one point in Ankor Wat. Then Thailand revolted, got stronger over a couple of centuries and sacked the city then they moved the capital to Phenom Phen leaving Ankor Wat as a second capital which acted in that capacity for a couple of centuries.

Enough of the history Cambodia to most people is a speed bump in the whole civilization of the earth.

My logic in sugesting that it become a second "Forbidden Palace" is that most Monarchs had at least a few palaces or castles. Even the president of the US has Camp David. The Queen of England has Windsor castle and a few others besides Buckingham. I'm sure our British friends could name several. It would also help in combating corruption.
:)
 
The Palace of Versailles Great Wonder. Eats up half your treasury and all shield production for two turns, doubles your culture per turn in the city and makes two citizens happy, increases culture in all cities of your civilization by one, and and allows you to have 50% more cities before you get corruption for civilization effects.

All other civilizations must immediately start producing the Slavish Imitation Palace Small Wonder in the city which has the largest shield production and can't stop until it's completed. This has the same cost, treasury and shield effects as the Palace of Versailles, but only increases culture in that city by 25% adds one happy face in the city, has no cultural effects on the other cities at all (since your artists can see it's a slavish imitation), and no corruption effects at all.
 
I think that The Golden Gate would be cool..mabye increase commerce in city (modern Colossus) or something.

Oh yeah..dead on about the Eiffel Tower in Civ2. Useless, it didn't do didley squat as far as I could see...I just built for final score.
 
The Grand Pagoda Small Wonder. Doubles the happiness effects and eliminates the maintenance of all happiness producing buildings in the city, including marketplaces, banks, etc. Requires five temples to construct. During the modern age, there is a two percent chance per turn that one of the improvements in the city will be destroyed by a gigantic atomic reptile.
 
I'm at the time where there are no more Great wonders to create. And it SUCKS! I would love to have some more modern ones that would help culture. Nice big museums maybe?
What about greenpeace or some other Moral group?

Smaller things as well:
maybe replacing a colluseum with an arena?
How about a casino? :)

or future wonders? Like international space station? First deep space probe? A wife that listens? Oops sorry wrong list. :)
 
Amnisty International: (Modern)
Globaly increases diplomatic penalty for razing cities, disbanding workers/settlers, and destroying land tiles.


That would not include joining a city with a worker or settler, just flat out disbanding them.

I find it annoying that governments don't seem to mind at all when in the modern age I take a fully populated/improved continent and bomb it into rubble. After razing 20 cities in my last war I must have disbanded 200 pop worth of workers because I had no transports for them, and the enemy was China with some left over riders that kept stealing workers back. During this time I formed and improved many peacefull political relationships with everyone else. Wouldn't India be a little upset if I liberated the Indian worker that was stolen by the Chinese 10 turns ago, and disband it?
 
Atom Smasher (Modern). 1000 shields. Doubles science research in that city.

Cold Fusion (modern technology). Nuclear plants no longer need fresh water, no longer meltdown.
 
Chunnel (Great Wonder) - Can connect any two separate continents by rail (3 squares max length).

Great Canal (Great Wonder) - Can connect any two bodies of water (3 squares max length).
 
I like those, Shirley.

I liked the event-based 'wonders' in CTP. It could have really been expanded upon and done well. Iwish they'd used something similar... The criteria for the Small Wonders is close, but still not quite what I'd really like to see.

For example, Magellan's Voyage should be just that... The first ship to sail around the world either gives the civ that wonder and/or enables the civ to build that wonder.
And I like the idea of the Great Wall and a Great Canal and a Great Tunnel (or maybe bridge) actually being a Geographic Feature.

All told, though, I'm pretty happy with the game as is.

- Stravaig
 
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