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New Zealand Terror Attack

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Silurian, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Zardnaar

    Zardnaar Chieftain

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    There is a low level drug war here. Locally the cops turn a blind eye to pot, they smoke it in public at the Uni and have for years.

    USA workmate here was off his nut on acid and staggered past a cop here. His response was have a good evening.

    If you pass out drunk, stoned etc the cops might pick you up in the paddy wagon take you to the station, make sure you're alright and release you the next day. No charge.

    Few years back at a party cops turn up. Everyone's wrecked on booze and pot.
    Knock knock. ****. People hide I answer the door due to being conscious. Noise control please turn your stereo down. They must have been able to smell it they were spotting a grocery bag full of it. Cops didn't care.

    Local cops are all good in my book lol.
     
  2. TheMeInTeam

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    Sounds pretty nice. Stories I heard in university were hit or miss, but I didn't dabble in the illegal stuff so I don't have any first hand accounts of how they dealt with that.
     
  3. Zardnaar

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    I didn't like pot that much. Stoners are a bit boring. Mate was dealing it and the cops gave him a "we know you're doing it but can't prove it yet speech please stop". That's an NZ cop threat.

    The ones who do ***** and moan about the cops are usually dumb enough to attract the heat anyway. You just have to know what will trigger the cops. Like brawling in public.
     
  4. Lexicus

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    I guess I must have gone all the way through stonerhood and come out the other side, or something :lol:
     
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  5. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    Different common law histories. The relative spread of rights and protections will be different.
     
  6. Zardnaar

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    Alot if stoners stop or do it in the weekends. Health and safety workplace drug testing is becoming common and automatic in the event of an accident. Some places are lose your job over it.
     
  7. Farm Boy

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    Of course. But the nuts were the difference between distribution and possession. We know what the differences are, we have can draw behavioral conclusions. Mens rea seems increasingly unpopular. It's a disruptive sort of inconvenience to the power of the state. A complexity ill suited to twitter, or uploads and downloads being indistinguishable technically.
     
  8. Berzerker

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    Video was obtained illegally so possessing it should be illegal, but thats an interesting 1st Amendment question. What if US media has the video and showed it? They get to publish stolen material, why not other Americans?
     
  9. TheMeInTeam

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    I don't think US law could realistically get an individual for showing a video the media is allowed to show. At least for now that would be straight up unconstitutional. I know the EU is fishing for that crap with its link taxes and such, but America hasn't sunk that far...not yet at least.
     
  10. Zardnaar

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    We are in trouble if we download foreign media if parts of the video are problematic.

    If it's the start of nameless driving around that's ok. You would not want to show any victims though and probably nameless firing the weapons.

    Foreign media has shown more of the clip than here. Most of them are showing a bit or restraint though.

    NZ laws not clear as they don't really clearly define what's ok so common sense applies.

    I know in WW2 we had some of the strictest censorship out of the allies. No constitutional right to freedom of expression, culturally it's a more though. Censorship here is usually for extremes, kiddie porn things like that.

    It's not so much a Nazi uniform is legal here more it's not illegal. Obviously a few if ya saw the video or some of it.
     
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  11. TheMeInTeam

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    Presumably you do have laws on the books for what specifically crosses the line though. Even the US has a number of things it rightfully doesn't protect.
     
  12. Berzerker

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    I dont think this guy thought his plan thru very well, publication of the video is likely to engender even more sympathy for the victims and revulsion for him. I imagine some racists might see it and choose a different path, it was the visual of civil rights protesters being attacked with dogs and fire hoses that helped turn the tide against Jim Crow.
     
  13. rah

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    I think you underestimate racists way too much. More likely to empower them. If they hate them to begin with, I don't see how watching them gun downed is going to change that.
     
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    NZ now put new restrictions on weapons. Its funny how are governments around the wordl same, make life of law abiding citizens worse and life of criminals easier.
     
  15. Zardnaar

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    Kind of, there is a lot of leeway. To the point people may not have realised they were breaking the law.

    https://www.dia.govt.nz/Censorship-Objectionable-and-Restricted-Material

    The guts of it

    • acts of torture, the infliction of serious physical harm or acts of significant cruelty
    • sexual violence or sexual coercion, or violence or coercion in association with sexual conduct
    • sexual or physical conduct of a degrading or dehumanising or demeaning nature
    • sexual conduct with or by children, or young persons, or both
    • physical conduct in which sexual satisfaction is derived from inflicting or suffering cruelty or pain
    • exploits the nudity of children, young persons, or both
    • degrades or dehumanises or demeans any person
    • promotes or encourages criminal acts or acts of terrorism
    • represents that members of any particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of the public by reason of any characteristic of members of that class being a characteristic that is a prohibited ground of discrimination specified in the Human Rights Act 1993.
     
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    That's be rough to enforce consistently, especially because "injures public good" can be more opinion than fact. At least there are some concrete examples though.
     
  17. Zardnaar

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    The law abiding citizens have been voluntarily handing in their MSSA, some have been panic buying but police can check the sales records from the last week (you need to present your license). The ban has the popular support of the public, all parties in parliament, federated farmers, the rural lobby etc.

    Anyone opposed to it is being very quiet.
     
  18. Zardnaar

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    Yeah its not well written. NZ law is more about the spirit than the letter though, NZ judges are not big on minor technicalities at least for serious stuff.

    I knew a guy who got outof parking tickets as he took photos and argued the yellow lines were not legal as they did not meet the legal requirements to count as official lines. He won.
     
  19. rah

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    I think a little leeway is good for building positive opinion.
    When we were growing up if the cops caught us out drinking they'd make us dump it and follow us home to make sure we got home safe.
    While that would seem insane these days, that type of looking out for us make us respect them some. We could use a little more of that these days.
    Better than getting shot.
     
  20. Zardnaar

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    The cops let the students away with a lot. Its when things start getting broken (bottles, couches set on fire, people etc) they care.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10686948

    Burning pot inside the police station in the capital. 0 arrests. The cops are also smart enough to know the protesters want to get dragged off kicking and screaming so they can run to the media and complain about police brutality.

    The cops care way more about meth though
     

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