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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by The English guy, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. The English guy

    The English guy Chieftain

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    Hi there i am a newbie to civ 4
    (the only other civ game i played was revolution X-box)
    I was wondering what do u think is the best civilization and leader for a newbie who is good at culture but rubbish at war:sad:
    (I have all the expansion packs)

    Thanks in advance:D
     
  2. Fleme

    Fleme Obey the Kitty!

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    There's no such thing as a "best" civilization and/or leader for anything although some are obviously better suited for certain tasks. However, it usually boils down to your situation and if it calls for it, even Genghis Khan can play culture and Gandhi be a warmonger. (he is actually a pretty good one if you play him that way)

    Generally speaking though, I assume most new players like to start with creative leaders for the free border expansions and I'd also think that spiritual is good but these are simply my opinions. As for leaders, perhaps Hatshepsut, Darius, Hannibal, Louis XIV - all of which are pretty straightforward and easy to play with. In the long run moving up the ladder, Huayna Capac has been nominated best with Darius following suit.

    Overall when you're just starting it's probably best to play random and adapt the the situation. There is a whole bunch of approaches to the game and you'd do good by reviewing the tip thread found here on this forum.
     
  3. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    Welcome, English Guy

    This is definitely a big step up from Revo..

    First, start reading up some intro strat articles in the War Academy under the CIV4 menu option at the top. Sisituils Guild for Beginners is a good place to start.

    Practice of few games using some of those strategies and then post a game on this forum from the start to get some pointers. Best way to learn really.

    Generally it's recommended to start with a Financial leader or possibly Philo, but Philo can be a little complicated at first with understanding how to best use great people. Interestingly, your famous historical Lady is the best of both. Lizzy his Financial and Philo. Financial helps a lot with boosting the research side of things so it can give you a boost starting out. Someone like Darius has great traits (FIN, ORG) and a nice early UU in case you decide to fight.

    Few quick pointers:

    1) build a worker first and have around 1.5 per city. Most important, if unsexy, unit in the game
    2) Try to specialize your cities - production, commerce, and food (GP farm). As a baseline, try to get 2 production cities (farms, mines, metals) and 2 commerce cities (riverside cottages, calendar resources, gold/silver) and 1 GP farm (at least 3 food specialists and farms). The map can often dictate how you settle and what kind of cities you can setup, but try for these as best as possible. Also, try to block land and backfill
    3) Get worker techs first to improve capitol and then get Pottery/Writing, getting up libraries as fast as you can. Run at least 2 scientists in 1 city, likely the capitol. Use the Great Scientists to build an academy in your cap. This will be a huge boost
    4) Don't work unimproved tiles. Keep those workers working and don't build useless things. Micro those workers, don't automate
    5) Expand to at least 6 cities by 1AD - assuming you play standard maps, which you should. Need that number for National Wonders and, well, you really should be that large by that date.
    6) Shoot for Alpha > Currency > Code of Laws as soon as you can. Currency will allow you to build wealth in some cities to keep the slider up. Code of Laws allows for Courthouses in distance cities to reduce maintenance. Trade techs along the way to backfill them. Don't tech everything at the bottom of the tree - just what you need and trade for things you don't have.
    7) Use Civics wisely. Don't change civics because the game suggests it.
    8) Avoid early religions unless going for a strictly religious game. You can always get one from CoL or Philo

    well, a few basic ideas there that should help out and allow you to kill on lower levels. good luck
     
  4. Negator_UK

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    Welcome English Guy - I'm an English Guy too :D

    If by good with culture you mean "builds wonders a lot" then any industrious leader will do. China also has a good UB for culture-whoring.

    But I recommend getting better at war since ultimately civ is a war-game. Learn axe-rushing :-

    1. Tech bronzworking.
    2. Build a bunch of axe - 10 is a good round number.
    3. Attack your neighbour, your objective is to take his capital, not necessarily wipe him out (although thats also an option)

    There's more detail to this approach on the forum, things to watch out for etc.

    By doing this you will come to understand the war mechanisms, including those issues that face the AI when they war on you. It will improve your game muchly.

    You can practice an axe-rush in about 15 minutes.
     
  5. Yoshi1

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    Why is it that newbies always get hit with a bunch of advice that is far too improved for them...here i would expect something like: Ok dude, the basics are that your city growth is halted when building settlers/workers. As you need both to expand, you need some strong tiles in your city radius to pump them out. So in your first city you should build a worker first, who can give you those tiles, and when you are satisfied with the production speed of the first settler go for it. Note that you can also chop down forests once you have bronze working, to create 20 production (a settler costs 100).

    Meanwhile, with your first scout/warrior check out the close lands. Don't go too far as animals will pop up. Find new city locations etc, don't forget to protect your new settlers a bit with units, and for techs try to research the ones first that your workers need (like animal husbandary, the wheel to connect stuff, bronze working to chop forests and hurry things up).

    So for the leader, there are bonuses that help you expand faster. Imperialistic = 50% faster settlers.
    Expansive = a bit faster workers, and the Granary which is the crucial building for your cities to grow if not much food around.
    Financial and organized help you to pay easier for a growing empire.

    THIS is what a newbie needs to know, wtf is he gonna do with advice like "you need a GP farm".
    lol...
     
  6. need my speed

    need my speed Rex Omnium Imperarium

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    He already has some experience with Civilization, although with Civilization Revolution...
     
  7. Ataxerxes

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    That just about counts as being new. CivIV is a lot more complicated. I'd recommend Sisiutil's Guide for starters. If that's too long, JuJuLautre did a guide to Noble that functions as "Sisiutil Lite".

    OP: The amount of reference in the Strategy Guides is amazing! As I said, check out Sisiutil - that's the gold standard for beginners.

    Couple of basic pointers - don't automate workers, improve food specials first and make sure new cities have a food resource or flood plains. Diplomacy matters a lot more than in CivRev.
     
  8. The English guy

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    thanks guys i have taken into account what you said I choose random everything and i was on islands and i was the holy roman Empire founded christianity made good friends with th greeks and we are both at war with Mansa Musa and Ghenghis Kahn. I only have 6 cities is that enough?
     
  9. Ataxerxes

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    Probably not unless it's very early in the game. 6 cities isn't very many - I would try to take some of Genghis and Mansa's cities. Don't worry if your tech rate drops - with more land you will soon tech better than ever. I say this because a lot of new players focus on tech percentage and get nervous if it drops below 90%.

    Alex will drag you into a lot of wars and Mansa tends to vassalize easily and will tech trade anything with anybody. You got an interesting set of opponents there - two psychos and Mansa, who is in many ways a unique AI.
     
  10. theskibum

    theskibum Brewer of Oatmeal Stout

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    I am going to re-iterate the best advice in the thread

    Read Sisuitil's Beginner's Guide.

    After you read that, play a game or two, then check out the articles in the War Academy on this site. Between the two, you should be able to play at Noble level with no difficulty. Then for more specific advice, posting saves here and asking questions is the best.

    Welcome to our society!
     
  11. Negator_UK

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    Cos we're all degenerate civ players and can't remember what day of the week it is, much less how it felt to be a civ player when we started.

    Uhh, the second best - Attacko's "Build a bunch of Axe" really is the best advice - true words spoken in jest. And easier to read :D
     
  12. theskibum

    theskibum Brewer of Oatmeal Stout

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    I said the best advice in this thread:D

    That is probably the only relevant thing Attacko ever wrote...wonder whatever happened to Attacko/TroytheFace
     
  13. Negator_UK

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    It was in my advice in this thread - maybe I camouflaged it in too much other overcomplicated advice - thats the thing about translations from scripture - something of the original always gets lost. A common scholars problem.

    Probably run over by a chariot...
     
  14. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    ^^^or kidnapped by the sea peoples
     
  15. Ataxerxes

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    I saw a couple of posts of Troy's over in the CivV forum. They don't know what to make of him, which I suspect is how he likes it.

    Actually, if a beginner feels overwhelmed, JuJu's guide to Noble gives a good summary of the basics before moving onto Sisiutil, who is more complete. Sisiutil's guide to rushing is a good later read. Sisiutil is also still extremely active in the new players thread and answering questions about his own guide and kept it up-to-date.
     
  16. theskibum

    theskibum Brewer of Oatmeal Stout

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    It was a bit camo'd, you should just say "build lots of axe...SMASH!!!!"
    In this case I had to translate your silly UK English into real American English:mischief:

    :lol:
     
  17. SeekTruthFromFacts

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    I've enjoyed playing Elizabeth on the Civ IV vanilla 18 civs world map. At easier levels, you can win a cultural victory without too much difficulty. You can basically win with just 4 cities in the British Isles (three cultural centres and a shipyard). The Financial trait means you can keep up with technology, and also amass culture. You can follow the old English principle of avoiding continental entanglements, and leave the warmongering to the Royal Navy.

    The only possible snags are:
    - get down to South America pretty quickly in order to secure your oil supplies. There's usually a conveniently prepared barbarian city, just when Redcoats make it a walk in the park.
    - Iceland makes a good 5th city in order to build cathedrals.
    - don't get behind with naval technology, or you're sunk ;-)
     
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    As it has been said, reading Sisiutil's guide is a great start. But to be honest, you have to post a game and follow up advice. Otherwise it will take you some time to improve a lot (it took me like 6 months to go from warlord to noble, I didn't play that much but still I was kinda afraid lol).

    Then I started to check other people's games, like Sisiutil's ALC games or MadScientists games, and I improved up to Monarch in like a week!!! I have to say I still have troubles, but I don't get destroyed (still haven't won one though :( )

    As for basic pointers, improve tiles that are inside your Big Fat Cross (BFC), which is the first border pop that you get. If you make improvements outside of that area, they will not help you a lot (except for getting the resource).

    Try not to work unimproved tiles.

    And, lastly from my part... learn to whip!!! Slavery will help you improve a lot, at first I was hesitant to use it but once I got the hang of it (still not very good whipper, but effective) I started destroying AI's, you just get such a huge production boost. There are 2 or 3 guides about it, they will be of great help.

    Anyways, those are the things that helped me the most, and where most of my mistakes came (still coming, but in a lesser extent). Previous posts are great advice too, specially the worker's rule. It's incredible how something so simple can do so much.

    Good luck and have fun playing!! :D
     
  20. theskibum

    theskibum Brewer of Oatmeal Stout

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    And Attacko said "Let there be Ice Archers" and it was good.:rolleyes:

    @ OP, DO NOT, under any circumstance, ever, ever, ever, in a million years even on pain of death, even if the hells themselves threaten to open up and swallow humanity into thier fiery bowels take any advice posted as an "Attacko" guide.

    If you read all the good players' (mostly everyone else) advice, you will notice one thing if you read an Attacko guide....he's a flippin lunatic.
     

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