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News: GOTM 39 Results and Congratulations

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Game of the Month' started by AlanH, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. AlanH

    AlanH Mac addict, php monkey Moderator Hall of Fame Staff Supporter GOTM Staff

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    jesusin's customised map generated a lot of interesting discussion.

    Here are the results:

    Summary of Medal Winners:

    Gosha190: 1514 AD Domination Victory, 155,873 points.

    pnp_dredd: 1559 AD Domination Victory, 106,932 points.

    Cactus Pete: 1292 AD Domination Victory, 106,450 points.


    Fastest Finish Award Winners:

    Adonias: 1454 AD Conquest Victory, 75,423 points.

    Conquistador 63: 530 AD Domination Victory, 70,306 points.

    Jeffa: 1724 AD Spaceship Victory, 49,321 points.

    Erkon: 1845 AD Domination Victory, 42,826 points.

    Skallagrim: 1556 AD Diplomatic Victory, 37,009 points.

    toller pretzl: 1676 AD Cultural Victory, 23,553 points.


    Other Award Winners:

    nokem: 1860 AD Conquest Victory, 19,821 points.

    dojoboy: 1960 AD Diplomatic Victory, 10,376 points.

    tagger1965: 1975 AD Domination Victory, 8,954 points.

    Kake: 1997 AD Spaceship Victory, 6,902 points.

    Grifftavian: 2041 AD Cultural Victory, 3,729 points.

    donsig: 2050 AD Time Loss, 2,334 points.

    AussieSweens: 2050 AD Time Loss, 1,836 points.


    >> See the full results here.
    >> See the updated global rankings here.
    >> See the latest Pantheon of Heroes here.
    >> Award symbols are listed here.
     
  2. jesusin

    jesusin Ant GOTM Staff

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    Congratulations to the winners!

    Great writeups in the spoiler threads :goodjob: that's what really makes GOTM a remarkable experience. Thanks for the feedback on the map. :)
     
  3. nokem

    nokem Chieftain

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    Thanks for the game :goodjob:

    Another shield to add to my collection \o/
     
  4. Lexad

    Lexad royalcrownchinpokomaster

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    Congratulations all, especially Gosha, Jeffa, and Eric - see you've finally got your cow, only domino to go. We have a chance to see 3 new eptathletes next tour :)
     
  5. Jeffa

    Jeffa Chieftain

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    Congratulations to the winners!
    Gosha190 - :king:.
     
  6. Conquistador 63

    Conquistador 63 Gypsy King

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    Results 2 days after game deadline? GOTM staff is breaking record after record! :goodjob: Congrats everyone. :D

    p.s. awaiting eagerly to see where everyone settled - maybe noone else settled 1S?
     
  7. jesusin

    jesusin Ant GOTM Staff

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    Here's where everyone settled.



    The Small Print:
    The numbers by each player's name indicate the turn settled on (starting turn is 0). Players are colour coded by game class (challenger=red, adventurer=blue). Symbols indicate victory condition, if there's no symbol then the player either retired or was defeated. The yellow border indicates the land that was visible at the start of the game.
     
  8. da_Vinci

    da_Vinci Gypsy Prince

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    Congrats to the winners! :goodjob:

    Congrats to the staff on the speed record! :goodjob: :goodjob: And thanks for the game! :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

    Of note, two losses, one retirement only. If DS had thought to seize his DOM at the last minute, two losses only.

    With just two losses, all of the losers were winners! :D

    dV
     
  9. Adama

    Adama Chieftain

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    Congratulations to all the winners ! :goodjob:

    Great game, and the staff certainly got the results done quickly. :)

    Thanks to staff for all their dedication. :goodjob:

    Adama
     
  10. Harok

    Harok Vagabond

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    Congrats to all the winners and thanks to the staff for the early results! :goodjob:
     
  11. Gosha190

    Gosha190 Chieftain

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    Congrats to all! Thanx jesusin! Special congrats to Erkon - God love you!

    - nice to see such messages in in almost all of games :lol:

    jesusin'v lost his peaceful image forewer...
     
  12. nokem

    nokem Chieftain

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    Is that from the HOF autolog? How do you get it to print the turn number and date?
     
  13. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    Wow, my second award. I'm very impressed with the BIG winners.
     
  14. Ronnie1

    Ronnie1 Chieftain

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    Congrats to all the winners!!! Great jobs by all.

    Now my question(s)??? How is it that "Final Scores" very so widely given very similar finish dates and strategies. I am specifically looking at comparisons between the top 3 finishers and a seperate comparison between C63 and myself.

    C63 crushed me in finish date and yet got a lower final score with the same VC.

    Same can kind of be said for the top 3....CP finished 3rd, but had to have been 40 turns faster than 1st or 2nd.

    I am not complaining at all...I just still don't understand how the "scoring system" works in this game, and I've been playing versions of it for more than 15 years now....:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::saaaaaaaaad::sad::sad::sad:
     
  15. Niklas

    Niklas Fully Functional GOTM Staff

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    Nah, you won't see Erkon claiming an eptathlon with GOTM 40 - would be cheating to grab an award in the game he created himself! :lol:
     
  16. dr_s

    dr_s Chieftain

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    A little searching turned up this post that claims to explain the scoring system. Not sure I understand it though.

    I have some questions as well (and like Ronnie1, not complaining, just wondering how this works). If I compare Gosha190's scores to mine on the full results page, he has a "Score" of 6912 and a "Final Score" 155873, with a finish date of 1514 AD. I have a "Score" of 2996 and a "Final Score" of 55995, with an earlier finish date, 1454 AD. What's the difference between "Score" and "Final Score"? Is it just the accounting for the finish date? What's strange is that the ratio of our "Score" is 2.3 (6912/2996), but the ratio of our "Final Score" is 2.8 (155873/55995). So his "Final Score" is proportionately bigger than his "Score", even though he finished later than I did. Does the GOTM use some other factor in the scoring via the HOF mod?

    Like I said, not complaining, just curious.
     
  17. AlanH

    AlanH Mac addict, php monkey Moderator Hall of Fame Staff Supporter GOTM Staff

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    There's no score calculation in the HoF Mod.

    The "Score" we publish is what's called the "Raw Score" in that Dianthus post, or the 'Total Score" in the display you get by hovering over your score. It's the sum of the four score components, each divided by its max value and multiplied by its weight, and is not modified by the date. We only use that number to award the Cow.

    The "Final Score" we publish is the one you see as "Score by winning this turn". It adds a winning bonus that depends on how fast the victory was achieved. That's the one that determines the medals and the low score awards.

    The winning bonus calculation uses a power function that is not intuitive, to me, at least, and makes it difficult to answer your specific question comparing two final scores with very different base scores, possibly based on a very different mix of the components.

    Back in the early days of Civ4 GOTMs, I graphed the 600+ scores for GOTM 1 showing the strong correlation between victory speed and score.
     
  18. Gosha190

    Gosha190 Chieftain

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    open full results page and click "Victory or Loss (Events)" column - you''ll see full game log.
     
  19. Gosha190

    Gosha190 Chieftain

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    some info about final score counting you can find here:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=310576&page=6

    posts 105-108

    there you can see that game score is a function of final land, pop, tech, wonders and turn. That function is non-linear relative to turns.

    mainly it looks like y=a/(parameter^(finalturn/maxturn))

    for epic speed game maxturn=660 (IIRC)
     
  20. Niklas

    Niklas Fully Functional GOTM Staff

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    To give a simple answer to the original question: The reason two people with the exact same in-game score and end date can still get vastly different victory scores is that the final victory score is non-linear separately for each component, and that each component is weighted differently in the final reckoning.

    As a very simplified example disregarding two of the factors (land and wonders), if you have 2000 base score of which 1000 is pop (200/1000 * 5000) and 1000 is tech (180/360 * 2000), your victory score on turn 330 (of 660) would be

    PopScore = PopFactor*FinalPop/(MaxPop ^ (CurrentTurn/MaxTurn)) = 5000*200/(1000^(330/660)) = 31622
    TechScore = TechFactor*FinalTech/(MaxTech ^ (CurrentTurn/MaxTurn)) = 2000*180/(360^(330/660)) = 18973

    Total score = PopScore + TechScore = 50595

    Note that despite having the same ingame base score in both components, they contribute very differently to the final score. Now compare this with a player with same base score of 2000, of which 1500 is pop (300/1000 * 5000) and 500 is tech (90/360 * 2000). Doing the same calculations again, for winning on the same turn, we get

    PopScore = PopFactor*FinalPop/(MaxPop ^ (CurrentTurn/MaxTurn)) = 5000*300/(1000^(330/660)) = 47434
    TechScore = TechFactor*FinalTech/(MaxTech ^ (CurrentTurn/MaxTurn)) = 2000*90/(360^(330/660)) = 9486

    Total score = PopScore + TechScore = 56920

    Quite a significant difference, with the emphasis being on the fact that population is more worth, more more worth than it is in the base ingame score. :crazyeye:
     

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