[RD] News Thread of the Americas

[Patine]

For the fut being robbed or killed, no difference.
But for a lot of of people, clearly there's a lot of difference. If the dictator robbing you is wearing a red dress and spouting nonsense about socialism, he will win the support of left-wing intellectuals the world over, from Chomsky to Zizek, as well as pseudo-intellectual Hollywood types and western politicians like Corbyn, Melenchon and Pablo Iglesias. I mean, even Sanders (who is more decent than these other clowns) refused to flat out condemn Castro, talking recently about the positive sides of his regime. Somehow, I don't see him or anyone else feeling the need to talk about the "positive sides" of say Franco or Hitler.

Your strictly partisan view on this matter is becoming disgusting for it's utter lack of disregard for humanity and sense and real elements of governance and people's lives. You're posts resemble the soulless, cold, and inhuman proclamations of Henry Kissinger, one of the worst war criminals of the '60's and '70's, when he speaks of installing right-wing monsters and butchers in Third World Counties just to keep Communiists from power.

 

[luiz]

Your strictly partisan view on this matter is becoming disgusting for it's utter lack of disregard for humanity and sense and real elements of governance and people's lives. You're posts resemble the soulless, cold, and inhuman proclamations of Henry Kissinger, one of the worst war criminals of the '60's and '70's, when he speaks of installing right-wing monsters and butchers in Third World Counties just to keep Communiists from power.

Really?

 

[Patine]

Really?

Indeed. But your tendency to ridicule and deride my ethical view on things, moral centre, and calling out your repugnant and vile rhetoric says even more about you. I don't think I'd want to meet you in person. No good person should.

 

[luiz]

Indeed. But your tendency to ridicule and deride my ethical view on things, moral centre, and calling out your repugnant and vile rhetoric says even more about you. I don't think I'd want to meet you in person. No good person should.

Can you quote the exact sentence on my post you found so repugnant?

 

[Patine]

Can you quote the exact sentence on my post you found so repugnant?

You specifically said "If the dictator robbing you is wearing a red dress and spouting nonsense about socialism, he will win the support of left-wing intellectuals the world over, from Chomsky to Zizek, as well as pseudo-intellectual Hollywood types and western politicians like Corbyn, Melenchon and Pablo Iglesias. I mean, even Sanders (who is more decent than these other clowns) refused to flat out condemn Castro, talking recently about the positive sides of his regime. Somehow, I don't see him or anyone else feeling the need to talk about the "positive sides" of say Franco or Hitler." I haven't once seen a post by any other poster on this thread praising a Socialist or Communist dictator, like you seem to be accusing, claiming such praise as a tendency of others, on this thread, that is not manifest. And, you seem to take offense when right-wing dictators are called out as being as bad, in principal, as left-wing ones - in a few cases all but saying directly ONLY left-wing dictators are bad, and NOT right-wing ones.

 

[luiz]

You specifically said "If the dictator robbing you is wearing a red dress and spouting nonsense about socialism, he will win the support of left-wing intellectuals the world over, from Chomsky to Zizek, as well as pseudo-intellectual Hollywood types and western politicians like Corbyn, Melenchon and Pablo Iglesias. I mean, even Sanders (who is more decent than these other clowns) refused to flat out condemn Castro, talking recently about the positive sides of his regime. Somehow, I don't see him or anyone else feeling the need to talk about the "positive sides" of say Franco or Hitler." I haven't once seen a post by any other poster on this thread praising a Socialist or Communist dictator, like you seem to be accusing, claiming such praise as a tendency of others, on this thread, that is not manifest. And, you seem to take offense when right-wing dictators are called out as being as bad, in principal, as left-wing ones - in a few cases all but saying directly ONLY left-wing dictators are bad, and NOT right-wing ones.

Eh, Chavez had a whole host of admirers in CFC, and the people I mentioned are all real people who actually praised Chavez and Maduro. I'm not making that up. Why does that offend you?

And when have I taken offense at right-wing dictators being called bad? Care to quote the exact sentence?

 

[Patine]

Eh, Chavez had a whole host of admirers in CFC, and the people I mentioned are all real people who actually praised Chavez and Maduro. I'm not making that up. Why does that offend you?

And when have I taken offense at right-wing dictators being called bad? Care to quote the exact sentence?

And you said no one out there praises or says good things about Hitler? Have you ever heard the terms, "Nazi apologist," "Holocaust denier," "Neo-Nazi," or others. And Franco's legacy is apparently complicated and nuanced in Spain today - as least for a former Fascist dictator. It's not just left-wing dictators who have their supporter and lauders. And, regardless of CFC as a whole, or world politicians, I said that no one ON THIS THREAD praised Chavez, Morales, Castro, etc.

 

[luiz]

And you said no one out there praises or says good things about Hitler? Have you ever heard the terms, "Nazi apologist," "Holocaust denier," "Neo-Nazi," or others. And Franco's legacy is apparently complicated and nuanced in Spain today - as least for a former Fascist dictator. It's not just left-wing dictators who have their supporter and lauders. And, regardless of CFC as a whole, or world politicians, I said that no one ON THIS THREAD praised Chavez, Morales, Castro, etc.

I never saw a mainstream politician talking about the good side of Hitler, but I've seen many praising Catsro, including the current Democratic front-runner in the US. But even if you disagree with this assessment and think I'm mistaken, why does it offend you? What is repugnant, or indicates that I somehow support right-wing dictators there?

You argue against positions you made up. You are a very confused individual.

 

[Patine]

I never saw a mainstream politician talking about the good side of Hitler, but I've seen many praising Catsro, including the current Democratic front-runner in the US. But even if you disagree with this assessment and think I'm mistaken, why does it offend you? What is repugnant, or indicates that I somehow support right-wing dictators there?

You argue against positions you made up. You are a very confused individual.

I don't care if the Man in the Moon praises Castro and Chavez - you're missing the point entirely! And you're the confused one. I don't judge how horrible a dictator is by the side of the political spectrum they're on.

 

[luiz]

I don't care if the Man in the Moon praises Castro and Chavez - you're missing the point entirely! And you're the confused one. I don't judge how horrible a dictator is by the side of the political spectrum they're on.

Neither do I. You are confused.

 

[Patine]

Neither do I. You are confused.

That's not what I've been reading. Engaging in "body count justification," to say that Pinoche and Batista weren't really that bad, and all bile should instead be directed at Chavez and Castro (which is what you did upthread) very much reeks of such a sentiment. You've also basically said, paraphrasing, that right-wing dictators are not something to be worried about - only left-wing dictators are bad.

 

[luiz]

That's not what I've been reading. Engaging in "body count justification," to say that Pinoche and Batista weren't really that bad, and all bile should instead be directed at Chavez and Castro (which is what you did upthread) very much reeks of such a sentiment. You've also basically said, paraphrasing, that right-wing dictators are not something to be worried about - only left-wing dictators are bad.

Nope, never said any of that. I said present Latin America only has left-wing dictators, which is a fact. I never said "only left-wing dictators are bad". That's your mental confusion talking again.

 

[Patine]

Nope, never said any of that. I said present Latin America only has left-wing dictators, which is a fact. I never said "only left-wing dictators are bad". That's your mental confusion talking again.

I'm sick of talking to a wall of denial. Go praise Pinoche, Batista, Trujillo, and the Samozas in your secret chambers. I'm done with this conversation.

 

[luiz]

I'm sick of talking to a wall of denial. Go praise Pinoche, Batista, Trujillo, and the Samozas in your secret chambers. I'm done with this conversation.

Who are these Samozas? I do love samosas, won't deny that, and if that makes me a bad person so be it.

Pinoche sounds like the name of some French comedian.

 

[innonimatu]

And even the Washington Post, usual mouthpiece of the Washington establishment people, now publishes pieces saying that the allegation of "election fraud" in Bolivia was well, a fraud.

Of course this sudden realization comes only after the dictatorial regime installed by military coup has been in power for months.

 

[Takhisis]

For the guy being robbed or killed, no difference. I've made this point again and again every time Venezuela came up and people tried to excuse what is going on there.
But for a lot of of people, clearly there's a lot of difference. If the dictator robbing you is wearing a red dress and spouting nonsense about socialism, he will win the support of left-wing intellectuals the world over, from Chomsky to Zizek, as well as pseudo-intellectual Hollywood types and western politicians like Corbyn, Melenchon and Pablo Iglesias. I mean, even Sanders (who is more decent than these other clowns) refused to flat out condemn Castro, talking recently about the positive sides of his regime. Somehow, I don't see him or anyone else feeling the need to talk about the "positive sides" of say Franco or Hitler.

We're back (yet) again to that point where we're justifying one set of dictators with the other's misdeeds.

And even the Washington Post, usual mouthpiece of the Washington establishment people, now publishes pieces saying that the allegation of "election fraud" in Bolivia was well, a fraud.

Of course this sudden realization comes only after the dictatorial regime installed by military coup has been in power for months.

And of course the OAS has ratified its findings (text here) which you haven't mentioned, and Evo Morales is now being prosecuted for electoral fraud.

 

[Takhisis]

The expoliation of retirement pensions is justified by ‘opposition-journalist’-turned-congresswoman Tundis as being unfair but necessary, because ‘there is no money’. With the agreement of Donald Trump and the IMF Argentina has slashed taxes on the rich, especially on profits derived from financial activities rather than those caused by actual work.
So paying off foreign debt with funds taken from those who cannot work because other funds have been untaxed seems like textbook Trump taxation policy. Regression FTW!
(link)
Bonus points for the congresswoman then justifying it with what was done to retired pensioners in Spain (raise freeze) and Greece (18% cut).

Also the government wants to make the ‘retentions’ i.e. export tariffs on agricultural produce even higher. Already about 50% of a producer's export price goes off in taxes (30% as said ‘retentions’, then a couple more percentage points as ‘raw’ income tax and a few others, then there's a ‘profit’ tax if you're breaking even or better which is always double-digits, and then there's provincial land and other taxes, municipal land and other taxes that add up to a few more percentage points. And it's not as if they could sell it at home, because Argentina produces about 10 times what it needs to feed itself, or even more in a good year. And this year looks like yet another bad one.
So looks as if it were going to be another little war with the agrarian sectors.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Venezuela's Maduro urges women to have six children

Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has urged women to have six children "for the good of the country".

Appearing at a televised event promoting a national women's healthcare plan, Mr Maduro instructed women to "give birth, give birth".

The country is facing an economic crisis which has resulted in severe food and medicine shortages.

Between 2013 and 2018, 13% of Venezuelan children were malnourished, says UN children's agency Unicef.

A bitter power struggle between the government and the opposition has exacerbated the country's trials.

Opposition leader Juan Guaidó is considered the legitimate leader of Venezuela by more than 50 countries. But President Maduro, the country's left-wing leader who enjoys the support of the Venezuelan military, has remained in power.

"May God bless you for having given life to six little girls and boys", Mr Maduro told a woman who attended the healthcare event.

"Every woman should have six children for the good of the country", he said, adding that it was "women's week", a reference to International Women's Day on 8 March.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51735025

 

[luiz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51735025

Because he's doing such a superb job feeding the existing population...

 

[Patine]

Because he's doing such a superb job feeding the existing population...

At least he's not mass killing them gratuitously and blowing up public buildings with people with people in them - and dropping people from helicopters into the Southeast Pacific, too - like Pinoche was. Oh, I forgot. Right-wing Latin American Dictators are, and were, NEVER as bad in ANY area as Left-Wing Latin American Dictators.