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[RD] News Thread of the Americas

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ReindeerThistle, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Who is this Pinoche fella you keep referring to? Did he drive out more than 10% of his country's population like Maduro did? Did he make the GDP contract by more than 50%? Did he reduce the real median wage to just a few dollars per month?

    I never heard of Pinoche but he sounds terrible.
     
  2. Hrothbern

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    In how much is Maduro still left wing in terms of his actual policies regarding a "freee market" for corporate ?

    Having left wing rhetorics does not necessarily say much

    He could as well move up in the direction of the Russian or Chinese model
     
  3. luiz

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    Both him and Chavez were certainly very much anti-market. They were praised by leftists such as Chomsky and Corbyn for their policies - the so-called bolivarian cooperatives in particular gave this crowd many boners. But now that their policies reduced Venezuela to pauper status, Maduro might indeed be forced to adopt some market reforms. Accepting dollar transactions is one step, and by all accounts it actually alleviated the situation of the population a bit, although it remains very dire.
     
  4. Patine

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    So only blatant economic crimes make a dictator bad, eh? Mass murder, stripping the nation of all rights, summary executions and disappearances of all critics and political opponents, blowing up public government buildings to eliminate the legitimately elected President, and other such atrocities are perfectly acceptable, as long as the economy doesn't collapse from mismanagement? And, you can drop you sarcastic attempt at droll humour - I just checked, and I had been spelling Pinochet (with a 't'), incorrectly, but it was painfully obvious who was talking about.
     
  5. luiz

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    I thought you kept referring to some French comedian, like Coluche or someone along those lines.
     
  6. Patine

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    I thought, by your posts, you were brighter than THAT. Maybe I had misjudged.
     
  7. luiz

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    Looks like you did.
     
  8. Patine

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    So, could I have an answer about my strong suspicion that you seem to regard economic mismanagement as a far higher crime, and making a far worse dictator, than mass murder and stripping of basic rights and freedoms from one's citizenry?
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    For bonus points and added woes, Argentina's had its first confirmed case of coronavirus today. :twitch:
    A Greece which, as a certain Yannis Varoufakis writes, helps concentrate wealth in the hands of the needy rich and remove it from the clutches of the poor.

    Both in Greece and Argentina with IMF backing and encouragement. And with various forms of toxic nationalism used to distract and hide.

    And here we go:


    To the tune of military music, multinational chain Carrefour proclaims a holy war against inflation, in alliance with the ‘national-popular’ corporatist government. Pathetic nationalism at its worst.
     
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  10. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    And we have a second confirmed case of coronavirus, again somebody who went to Italy and came back.

    Meanwhile in Ecuador prosecutors have asked for up to 8 years in prison for former president Correa and 20 other officials, along with USD 1,130,000,000 in restitutions, for illegal campaign financing and taking bribes of the kickback type for said illegal campaign financing in exchange for awarding public works contracts to the nefarious Odebrecht business empire.
    He's also facing an accusation of having ordered the kidnapping of an opposition candidate while in power, but who cares?

    Also there's been over a hundred thousand people demonstrating against the ongoing killings in Mexico. Fun facts: the US sells firearms to the cartels and finances them by being the major buyer of cocaine and other drugs, the Mexicans try to flee northwards, and the US decides that they're second-tier human beings and puts them in cages. But it's the Mexicans' fault.
     
  11. Takhisis

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    Jair Bolsonaro is still doing his best to insult everybody at once to cover up how catastrophic his government's measures are being and will be*.

    Brazilians appalled by Jair Bolsonaro’s bigotry and authoritarianism are calling for boycotts of major companies whose founders or owners support the far-right president. (…)
    Supporters of the president are planning nationwide protests on 15 March and have flooded social media with memes attacking congress – and even proposing a return to military rule.​


    *Notice that this is not an endorsement from me for the mega-corruption fest that was the PMDB-PT government, but Bolsonaro's government is just another step further down.
     
  12. Zardnaar

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    You're gonna get that in any dictatorship.

    Right ring ones tend to recover faster though as they're not usually basket cases economic ally.

    A lot of ex Soviet states haven't recovered. Moldova and Ukraine are the poorest countries in Europe.

    If your opposed to the regime you're in trouble regardless if what type of dictatorship you're in. The less basket case ones are the better one to live in.
     
  13. Patine

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    I don't know about that appraisal. Iran and Saudi Arabia are among the most socially right-wing nations on Earth, and the latter one of the wealthiest by GDP PER CAPITA. But many people in both suffer horribly just because of who they are. In fact, two posters I often clash because of their distorted views of social issues and realities, and how bad the U.S. and other predominantly White, Western nations really are compared to other nations for them, would suffer miserably and horribly just by inherent demographic nature alone in those two countries, even without actively doing anything. Plus, Iran has a theocratic council with a veto on all actions, legislations, and elections for it's normally Constitutional, republican form of government, and Saudi Arabia is one of the very last of the absolute monarchies left in the world - a true Medieval form of Government. But neither is POOR, economically speaking, as nations in the world go in totality.
     
  14. Zardnaar

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    Yeah they are both crappy regimes but I'll raise you a North Korea.

    As I said if you could pick a crappy regime to live under and your not in the target demographic the regime hates may as well pick one were you get to eat.
     
  15. Patine

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    Well North Korea is not a good example on the left-right spectrum. Although they began with Marxist-Leninist and Maoist roots and foundations, once the Juche Principle was adopted in the early '70's (and every mention of the words "Marxist-Leninist," "Communist," or "Socialist," scoured from their Constitution and all statutes and acts of Government and Party and all texts of political doctrine to replace with "Juche Principle"), they went right of the deep end into a form of Government and political ideology COMPLETELY different than any other in the world today, and that cannot be accurately or easily put on either wing of the Political Spectrum - in fact, carrying some traits of Governance and politics that are next to unheard of since Antiquity and the Medieval and Pre-Colonial Ages, effectively. The Khmer Rouge was another good example of this, though the way their ideologies deviated were different.
     
  16. Zardnaar

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    The various nasty right wing regimes and left wing you're gonna get treated like crap if you're in the wrong side of the fence.

    If you're just a typical civilian though a lot if left wing inspired ones do tend to struggle feeding their population due to government policy.

    Right wing ones tend towards corruptuon but less interference in things like the economy.

    Go to Iran or Russia for example and getting food isn't really a problem.

    Venezuela is a borderline failed state.

    Even in the USSR after Stalin and the war food supply at least in terms of not starving wasn't a major problem (variety was).

    If you're in a crappy regime you can keep your mouth **** and head down. If you're starving though I can't imagine its fun.

    The reason is left wing dictatorships tend to have funny ideas about economic theory that doesn't really work.

    Generally IMHO you want to milk the cow (the rich) vs killing it.
     
  17. Patine

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    Communism and Capitalism have both failed utterly and completely as economic systems. It's just that Capitalism is kept in circulation by the ultra-wealthy who still benefit from it fully, and a Roman Imperial-style "bread and circuses," façade makes a lot of people THINK it's working. We need new economic theories and systems for the world as it is now, the way we live today, and the impact technology, production, and population have taken. However, big corporations, and the governments and public universities in their pockets, are actively (but not openly or publicly) suppressing new and Futurist economic theories from being developed and disseminated.
     
  18. innonimatu

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    It's not that they "haven't recovered". It is that they're now much worse than they were in soviet times. And "now" meant formal liberal democracy in Ukraine under the economic guidance of the chicago boys. So much liberal that they even hired Biden junior as a corporate lobbyist, the capitalist revolving door between business and power at its best. Good students!
     
  19. GoodSarmatian

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    What's going on in Brasil right now ?
    From what I was able to piece together from twitter, links and google translate it looks like states are now blatantly ignoring the federal governments and passing theit own laws to combat the pandemic.
    It's not a coup (yet), but Bolsanaro has lost all authority, even with far right governors.
     
  20. Hrothbern

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    If mass demonstrations would cause the fall of Bolsanaro... given the Covid risk.... it could be the first of its kind where that mass demonstration happens from balconies, windows and doors with pots and pans
     

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