News: TSG147 Announcement

[Knowtalent]

Civilization 5 - Game of the Month Training Series Game 147th
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Welcome to the 147th game in the GOTM V Training Series! This Series will allow new and old GOTM fans to try out these features from Civ5's expansions and DLCs in a friendly environment. Participants are encouraged to post questions, stories, advice, tricks and failures in the dedicated game threads (described below). Each game will specify the Civ you will play and the Victory Condition to strive for. You can read more about the GOTM and Training Series concept in this thread.
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Civ V BNW - TSG147 Details:

Player (You): Wu Zetin of China
Victory Condition: Science all other VCs are enabled, Difficulty: King
Civs/City-States (including player): 8/0
Map Type/Size: large islands/standard
Game pace: quick

Game options:
Start - Ancient Era
Enabled - No City Razing No Ancient Ruins Quick Combat, Quick Movement
(Regardless of starting options, you may turn on/off Quick Combat/Quick Movement using the game options menu at any time during gameplay.)
Game Version: This game was created in Civ5 Brave New World version 1.0.3.279.
Game Requirements: Korea, Babylon, Explorers map, Wonders of the Ancient World DLC. Gods and Kings expansion, Brave New World Expansion.

China Unique Abilities:

Spoiler :

UA:. The Art of War: Great generals spawn faster and are more effective.
UU: Chu-ko-nu - a Unique unit that replaces the crossbowman it fires twice per turn
UB: Paper maker - a unique building that replaces the Library, it provides 2 gold .

This is where you will start:

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This game runs for a month and ends
December 15th, 2016.

The save will be available for download on November 15th, 2016 midnight Central Standard time (UTC -6:00) in the US.
The Save can be found here.

 

[beetle]

Can anyone tell if that is a lake or ocean bay? Think I will SIP if it just a lake. If ocean, then move to the hill to save the jungle.

 

[vadalaz]

That is coast, lake tiles yield 2 food.

No ruins, no city-states on an islands map with a jungle start. Gonna be a slow game.

 

[zxcvbob]

That is coast, lake tiles yield 2 food.

No ruins, no city-states on an islands map with a jungle start. Gonna be a slow game.

And quick pace, so you get punished for scouting around a bit before settling.

I'm thinking of settling on top of one of the cocoa tiles, but not sure which one.

 

[beetle]

That is coast, lake tiles yield 2 food.

Thanks!

No ruins, no city-states on an islands map with a jungle start. Gonna be a slow game.

Ruins I think are only worth half a dozen turns. How does no city-states slow things down? If nothing else, seems like extra space for everyone.

I'm thinking of settling on top of one of the cocoa tiles, but not sure which one.

The settle-on-lux strategy is not strong for Cocoa. Not as bad as Salt, but no where as good as Incense or the mining lux.

 

[Vacuuman]

The settle-on-lux strategy is not strong for Cocoa. Not as bad as Salt, but no where as good as Incense or the mining lux.

I suppose, but at least it's 3 food and instant happiness as soon as you research calendar. As opposed to waiting for a worker + bronze working + worker turns. My plan was to settle on the NE cocoa, but I'll have to move the warrior and hope it shows me something good. There also seems to be coast to the northwest, hidden in fog.

 

[beetle]

I suppose, but at least it's 3 food and instant happiness as soon as you research calendar.

If you settle on Cocoa, I am pretty sure it ends up being just two food. Which is why it is better to work than plant. You loose something from setting on any lux.

 

[vadalaz]

How does no city-states slow things down? If nothing else, seems like extra space for everyone.

The main problem is culture generation, I think. Without cultural CSs it'll take much longer to go through Rationalism policies and ideological tenets. A culture-heavy religion could help... I'd probably go with jungle pantheon + 2 faith from wonders + Pagodas.

Lower happiness really hurts too, mercantile CSs help a lot in the mid-game, often allowing you to skip colosseums and other happiness buildings. Don't underestimate the gold you get from meeting CSs either, and on King you could've also demanded tribute from them. And finally you get more barbs, since they have more space to spawn and no city-states to attack. I don't like barb triremes.

 

[beetle]

Thanks again @vadalaz

 

[zxcvbob]

I thought I posted this yesterday, but I must have clicked the wrong button or closed the window. Anyway, would it be worth burning a policy to open Patronage just to unlock the Forbidden Palace? (I think it might) A little extra happiness, and permanent host of the World Congress / UN.

 

[vadalaz]

You could do that, but getting perma-host is likely to happen naturally anyway. If you aren't the first to meet everyone and tech Printing Press, you should still be able to make proposals, since the human gets the player 1 slot by default. The only danger is if one AI gets the inital host and a different AI builds FP later, but I don't know if AIs would even open Patronage in a no-CSs game.

Happiness-wise FP is not a bad option, but I'm not sure it's worth a policy in a game with no cultural CSs. I'd try all other ways to get happiness first and leave opening Patronage for FP as a last resort.