Next turn - 1400ad

Status
Not open for further replies.

Jayne

Emperor
Joined
Jun 12, 2002
Messages
1,070
Location
Worcs UK
1300ad - Made recommended alterations.

Met with Indians. Refused their demand for gunpowder. They decide to spare us from their armies!! They swap maps.

PRB Elysium.

Viking units (knight and cat) approach Hladir.
Indian wine from Bangalore arrives in Indian Watcher. Wine-silk route makes us $2/turn.

1320ad - Bactra builds dip, starts van. Oct builds and starts sett. GG builds wine van, starts van. Civ builds market, starts aquaduct. TF builds gems van, starts market.

WLTC cancelled in Oct, Mord
WLTC starts in Civ, MD, Upps

Beast Flats silk delivered to RC demand. $90 + $2/turn
Ren spice rehomed in Elysium for Neuma
NB silk rehomed in Elysium for Delhi

Indian dip expelled. Attitude not affected.
St Petersburg would revolt for $660. Seems very cheap for a second city! Sparta would revolt for $676.

Meet with Vikings. Demand they withdraw troops. Agreed.
Indians request audience to boast sanitaion.

Indian dye from Lahore arrives at Indian Watcher. Dye-coal route makes us $2/turn.

Sneak attack by Russians! :eek: Caraval and dip lost!

1340ad - Hipsheim builds silver van, starts van. Routs builds dip, starts van.

WLTC cancelled in MT, Neuma.

Leo's upgrades setts to engineers. NUF discovers Explosives. Starts Economics. Consider saving vans for Adam's. 8 needed.

Kaupang would revolt for $1800.

BL wine rehomed in RC for Persia. TF gems rehomed in Elys for Bangalore.

Loaded viking boat seen near Lahore.
Indians land near CS, 2 elephants.

1360ad - BB builds spic van, starts van. Ebor builds silk van, starts eng. LC builds market, starts van. MD builds market, starts aquaduct. MT builds crusader, starts van.

WLTC day in LC. Cancelled in RC.

NUF population exceeds 6,000,000.

LM gems van delivered to Elysium demand. $153 + $2/turn
Dell silk rehomed in RC for India

Island found west of Civvium, south of Elysium Isle.
Indian dip approaches Indian Watcher again!

1380ad - Elysium builds aqua, starts dip. neuma builds crusader, starts van.

WLTC cancelled in Upps, starts in RC.

Elysium spice delivered to Neuma demand. $75 + $3/turn.

Viking city of Westness spotted on island south of Lindholm and loaded Viking boat. Westness will revolt fot $369 or subvert x2.

Indian dip expelled.

1400ad - MM builds dip, starts temple. BF builds temp, starts van. BL builds temp, starts van. Upps builds dip, starts van.

WLTC in Neuma, Ren.

NUF discovers Economics, Starts Leadership.

We have $1114. Techs every 4 turns. $69 profit/turn

......

I will play next on Wednesday am (GMT).

Some thoughts: Should we bribe anymore Viking cities, or wait until Trondheim falls?
Should we send a dip into Trondheim and investigate? Should we attack now, or wait until we get Leadership?
Will we build Adam's?
Should we send a few dips to Russia and start bribing? They are currently cheap compared to other civs, and are relatively weak.

NUF Viking Islands India
 
Citizens, although there is a dearth of information visible here at this moment, I wish to report we have survived and prospered. Thank you, My Queen.
  • 6450,000 Population with 2 Aquaducts
  • RC Size=12, Elysium Size=9 and zooming
  • Desperate requirement for Sewers!
  • Treasury $1114 gold ready to shop, 20,30,50%
  • 18 Explosive Engineers everywhere +6 building
  • Researching Leadership
  • Indian Watcher secure with Elysium Silk and Gems Vans
  • Perhaps no city on the Isle SW of Elysium
  • Hladir secure and the roads to Kaupang and Trondheim appear open
  • Indian Elephants for sale near Mulled Mine
  • Marl Downs Size=8, buy Aquaduct? Civ & Ren too?
  • Beast Flats will grow at last! Road? Bedfont Lakes?
  • Bactra still needs expert attention
  • New DSL at Little Nemo driving me crazy!
 
It is an artifact from the future, My Queen. Have you read "Live From Golgatha" by Gore Vidal? Very funny indeed! Anyway, at Little Nemo we recently installed "DSL" for the Family, plenty of MS Patches, IE 6.0, and it causes our old Netscape to fail on long loads (Turn 1300AD). Typical Bill Gates behavior, since the definition of a bug at Microsoft is "Software from another manufacturer works."

The Russians desire a taste of our steel? They are too far away - I recommend caution rather than rile to their impudence.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the Russians for the time being, but Fanaticans have very long memories and few will live to regret the foolishness of their ancestors. :nya:
Once we have "consolidated" our hold on Viking territory then we can turn our attention to a new civ worthy of destruction but I counsel caution in our foreign policy in the near future.
 
Russians are pretty far away. It's easier to have a war with a more nearby civ, like the vikings and spanish. :D Some day we'll attack the Indians too, can't remain friends forever now can we? ;)
 
I say that we:

1.) Wait until Leadership until we commence our attack against the vikings. How many upgradable units do we have? Remember that we want a concerted attack, not a dribs and drabs one. How are we going with a military buildup from an acceptable position? If its going to take a while to set our troops up, we may actually want to consider waiting for tactics :)

2.) Attack (and take ;) ) trondheim before we try to subvert any more viking cities. :)

3.) Agreed re holding off on Russia. However, we may want to ensure that we have a few defensive units, and a couple of offensive ones on the home territories, just in case they get ideas above their status. :)
 
I can see what you are all saying about Russia. However, in the current GOTM, I shipped a couple of dips off to a weak civ on an island just as far away, and they were destroyed soon after!
 
1400AD Status of the NUF Republic - 1114 gold 20,30,50%

1380AD Elysium built Aquaduct, Celebration in progress.

Delhi same demand: Silver Silk! Dye, Madras: Silver Silk & Dye (Not Copper). Lahore: Gems Silk & Silver (nix Coal).

1400 AD Status: 6,450,000 people in same 43 cities. 1114 gold   With Download Changes: 3.Scientist 4.Elvis, some celebrations.   Actual 20,30,50% F5 $101 -33, Sci 366 in 4 turns. F11 Mfg=251, Family Size=3.9   NUF is swallowing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, but #6 in Family Size.

Elysium FAQ: Size=9, grows in 8, 7 Happy +1.Content +Scientist
  Trade 49 - Corruption 4, Tax 15 + Lux 22 + Beakers 162

1300 AD Status: 5,460,000 people in 43 cities. 569 gold   1.Scientist 3.Elvis, some celebrations, Hladir.Disorder. Actual 20,30,50% F5 $91 -26, Sci 317 in 4 turns. F11 Mfg=234!, Family Size=4.2   NUF is smashing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, #2 in Family Size.

Elysium FAQ: Size=8, grows in 8, 6 Happy +2 Content
  Trade 43 - Corruption 3, Tax 13 + Lux 19 + Beakers 144

1000 AD Status: 2,268,000 people, in 34 cities. 379 gold, For comparison at 20,20,60% 1.Scientist 1.Elvis, Many.Celebrations, only 1.Disorder (FA tragedy). With download serf changes, F5 $59 -18, Sci 224 in 5.turns. F11 Mfg=158 (loss of Coal Mine), Family Size=5.2   NUF is exploding ahead of our dangerous enemies, sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area, Productivity and Family Size.
940AD Formed Republic Government: 1750,000 pop in 34 cities.

Download Changes and Quick Observations:
REGIA CIVITAS: Both Grass Roads to Scientists
  use Buffalo, slow growth, Market 30/80 in 6
Civvium: PRB=40 $16, Aquaduct in 6
TFalls: 2 forest, Market 20/80 in 9
Nemo Bay: Buff to new GLS, Van 45/50 in 1, SILVER
Penguin: 2 forest +IPRB $6, Van 27/50 in 4, SILK
Frozen Toe: Elvis & Celebrate, Temple in 1, Diplomat?
Marl Downs: grass to Plains, Aqua 10/80 in 10, Roads!
Mord: Elvis to Plains Road, sw Van to Engr in 5
Melampyrun: Forest, Fish, Food+1, Temple 5/40 in 18 ok
Reneaux: PRB=40 $14, Aquaduct in 10
Dellham: ocean to plains road, Van 24/50 in 7, Irrigate!
Monks Towne: Elvis, Celebrates!
Legendary City: Nees Plains road Irrg ASAP.
Indian Watcher: SEIZE NEW MINE !!!

Banana Bay: switch to Temple?
Udal: ???
Routskilde: Rule of 28, IPRB $4, Van in 4, Silk?
Uppsala: perhaps build an Engineer?
Hladir: serf to Road, Forest, Temple 20/40 in 4

We own 9 Vans +16 in production... Own 18.Temples, 4 Markets.
We own 2 Aquaducts, building in Reneaux, Civvium and Marl Downs.
Building Markets of Castle.Jayne & REGIA.CIVITAS, started TFalls.
Building Temples of Fort.Anarchy Udal York.Downs Frozen.Toe, Hladir Viborg Lindow.Moss Cymru.Straits Erikkson Cold.Front. Started Melampyrum Erikkson Mulled.Mine. Harbor of Lone.Bison?

Note that although we have "Discoveries in 4 Turns", due to Caravan deliveries our rate is much higher than that.

Researching Leadership Dragoons (due in 4 turns), 39 known: Alphabet, Astronomy, Banking, Bridge, Bronze, CBurial, Chemistry, Chivalry, CodeLaws, Construction, Currency, Economics, Engineering, Explosives, Feudalism, GunPowder, HBR, Invention, Iron Working, Literacy, Map Making, Masonry, Mathematics, Medicine, Monarchy, Monotheism, Mysticism, Navigation, Philosophy, Polytheism, Pottery, Republic, Seafaring Harbors, Gravity, Trade, University, WarriorCode, Wheel and Writing.

-GaryNemo, soon again your ... Domestic Advisor.
 
Citizens, what do we need to vote upon? Some ideas:

Whether or not, how soon etc, to build Adam Smith?
  We'll build it in REGIA CIVITAS, right?
Bribe Indian Elephants in Our Hills?
Bribe Indian Catapult on SW Isle?
Send Engineer to Indian Watcher?
PRB $how $much for Aquaducts: Ren? Civ? Marl Downs?
Minimum $treasury balance?
Bribe some far away None Warriors etc?

I could post a poll tomorrow morning, but I'm not sure what about. What appears volatile? Any comments will be greatly appreciated.

Science Advisor? Military Advisor? Foreign Advisor? Please help!
 
It is time for me to leave the Consul's office for Foreign Affairs.

The concensus seems to be to ignore the Russian Federation, and to let the Vikings feel the wrath of our mighty military. Not to worry, Moscow will someday suffer for it's ignorance!

Our present state of friendship seems fine with foreign nations seems fine. However, is there another world power we should plan on targetting after the Viking hordes have (forcefully) accepted the Fanatican light?
 
Please make our science decisions as follows:

Leadership(currently researching)
Magnetism
Tactics
Meturallugy
Steam Power
 
Take a look at these Strategy Threads:

Delayed Industrialization? with a comment by Andu Indorin regarding Refrigeration before RailRoad, among other things.

Our city Hipsheim is an interesting one. We could freeze its growth at Size=2 and support many military from it. Please read this AGRICOLA thread Democracies can have Huge Armed Forces As I understand the idea related to Hipsheim, freeze at Size=2 and build 2 Mines. The Irrigation S of Hips will go unused until later, I guess.
 
Engineers 1400AD

An Engineer can move 2 along a road, then off road and build a Road all in one turn. Or move 5 and charge, useful to Irrigate far away.

Beast Flats will now grow, and we'll Irrigate for Civvium growth and begin to promote the BFL Temple. We are Mining.

FIRST: Clear.Orders MT NE of MT, change projects.

None N of RC: to Civ, 5 charge, 5 Irrigate Grass etc (A)
  Do not Irrigate for RC until we have a Sewer!
Civ SW of BFL: S S Road, Irrg for Civvium (A)
LN 2SE of TFalls: Road, into BFL and Irrigate town (N)
Penguin: Road for Beast Flats, then Irrg a forest...
Cold Front: Irrigate for Frozen Toe Celebration?
CJ SW: Roads for Elysium, then Irrg Ely's GLS's
CJ SE of MT: Road, then Mine Hill for Hipsheim???

YD SW of Mord: Irrg for MD, then Irrg for YD (N)
  York Downs: Temple 30/40 in 5, needs Irrg to grow.
Mord S of Oct: Road River N of Oct, then help MD (N)
Octavia: Continue Mine for Ebor, then Road Hill?
Melampyrum: Continue Mine, then Roads?

Ren SW of Ren: River Road NW of Ren, Irrg (N)
Ren 2SW of Ren: NW Irrg, move Grass Serf, Irrg
DH N of FA: Irrg for FA, then... no ferry!?
MT NE of MT: Clear.Orders, go Irrg Plains N of DH etc
MT 2NW of Neuma: SW S Road, N NE Road, Irrg Neuma

Udal SE of Skara: Irrg town swamp?
Lindow Moss Engr: Road thru to Hladir.

That is all 18 Engineers. Only 6 in production :( Now considering a Mine for Hips and/or FA, and Irrigating Civvium and BFL.

Little Nemo: Engr 0/40 in 16 or so...
Mord: Elvis to Plains Road, sw Van to Engr in 5
Octavia: Engr 16/40 in 6, then another Engr

Comments?
 
Jayne moves in 20 hours. Including ainwood's post above with the polls, it appears everything is decided except the Science. And we know where Our Queen is leaning: Sanitation and Leadership (now researching), then ... many options.

Please take a moment to vote in the new BuildQ Poll. Final Micromanagement plan to follow in 4-6 hours. Comments?
 
We have many units at Hladir: 2 Knights, 3 Crusaders, only one Musket. Perhaps a team of Musket Knight +Crusader to secure the fortress NW of Hladir?

Delay the subversion of Westness? Seems advised.

Indian Watcher: Move Vans so as to block Indian Dips, Deliver one or both, leave stack on Forest S of Mine, somehow get other stack onto the Mtns.
Bring up another Musket from RC, all the way to Viking Land?
 
Five Foreign Trade Vans:

Elysium Silk & Gems in Indian Watcher, separate them?
  Be careful to deliver when many beakers are needed.
RC Wine sailing to Persia, Pasargadae
RC Silk near GG walking to India
Nemo Bay: SILVER Van 45/50 in 1, Rehome RC to Dehli

8 other Vans head to RC Adam Smith. Be careful of Penguin, IPRB & Serfs, Caravel comes to pickup, also Elysium and Legendary City.

Caravels
The CS Caravel w Dip Captain is ready to bribe the Indian Catapult for $202 (see poll), then sail West to bribe some cheap Russian and Greek None units.
Sail Penguin Caravel S & E to Penguin for Van pickup in 4 turns.
Recall valuable None Caravel as safe Boreum & Udal Ferry.
Udal w Dip: don't subvert Westness yet?
Beast Flats: try to bribe cheap Persian or Russian Nones.
One near Elysium, one sailing from MD, one missing?
 
Detailed Micromanagement 1400AD

FIRST: Clear.Orders MT Engr NE of MT to change projects.

Immediate Changes
REGIA CIVITAS=12: Slow growth, 2 Grass to Scientists (A)
Elysium: Switch Dip to Van 7/50 in 6, to RC in 9 (A)
Civvium: PRB=40 $16, Aquaduct in 6 - or $56? See poll.
Penguin: 2 forest +IPRB $6, Van 27/50 in 4, SILK (A)
Frozen Toe: Elvis & Celebrate, Temple in 1, Diplomat (A?)
Marl Downs: grass to Plains, Aqua 10/80 in 10, Roads!
Mord: Elvis to Plains Road, sw Van to Engr in 5 (A!)
Melampyrum: Forest, Fish, Food+1, Temple 5/40 in 18 ok

Reneaux: PRB=60 $54, Aquaduct in 5 (A)
Dellham: ocean to plains road, Van 24/50 in 7, IPRB $13 now.
Hipsheim: Freeze Growth, plains road & mine (A)
  switch Van to Musket or Knight?

Monks Towne: Elvis, Celebrates ?
Legend: IPRB=30 $37 Now, Van in 3, to RC in 9
Indian Watcher: SEIZE NEW MINE (A)
  Send an Engineer (A), but none appear available?

Banana Bay: switch to Temple?
Udal: see comments in Chryshe thread. Try grow & Elvis.
Name V3 = Eriksson (D=Discussed, in Name V3 per Funxus, oops)
Name City 2: Triticum per "New City Names" Latin 9 December?
Uppsala: Elvis, so build an Engineer 0/40 in 6?
  donate irrigation back to Lindow Moss?
Hladir: serf to Road, Forest, Temple 20/40 in 4, keep Granary, start Engr.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom