Next turn - 860ad

[Jayne]

780ad - Made recommended changes.

Icy Vikings request audience. They have 1 spear. They request an alliance against the Spanish which we refuse.

800ad - Oct builds setts, and starts more. WLTK day cancelled.
LC builds silk van (Mosc, Delhi, Bang, Cal will take amongst others). New van started
GG builds wine van. For wonder? Starts new van
WLTQ day in ln and RC

Cadiz revolt for $363. Get $65, Chivalry (picked over feudalism) and a pikeman. Start dip. Spanish declare war.

Leo's upgrades horses to knights, elephants to crusaders

$IPRB in Nemo Bay, Khors, Elys, Cymru

820ad - FA coal van. For wonder? New van started
CJ silk van. Start settler.

Leo's upgrades trireme to caravel.
NUF discover Navigation. Start Republic.

Found Khors. south (Name?) Start archer
Upps builds crusader, starts temple

840 - Spanish request audience. Enraged, 5 spears. Demand $800 tribute!! Refused so they declare war! Again!
Spanish horse attacks Cadiz and loses.

Civ builds silver van. For Madras? Starts van
Dell builds dip. Start catapult for Trondheim Assault.

Hire Elvis in Khors. Concerned about growth.
$IPRB Khors, Elys, MT

Beast Flats caravel sailing near Khorsabad Island is near Bactra!

860 - Viking units spotted approaching Viborg!
LM builds sett, starts new sett
BB build sett, starts catapult
Udal builds sett (for Lone Buffalo?), starts sett
Viborg builds sett, starts dip. WLTK day cancelled
LN builds sett, starts sett. WLTQ day cancelled
TF builds gold van (demanded by MD, Ren, MT). starts van
RC builds dip, starts MAGELLANS
MD builds legion (for Wheat Island), starts sett
Rout builds Crus, starts temp

Bactra found and revolts for $392. Get $34, pahlanx and REPUBLIC!!


I've not pressed enter in case we want to change any of the new builds started this turn.

Treasury is $860.

We aren't currently researching anything, but could have Theory of Gravity (ISSAC's) researched in 3 or 4 turns. Do we want to save caravns for that instead of Magellans?

I hope I've not missed anything or done something totally different to what was being done before. It's very easy to lose track when you're not actaully playing the turns!

If King Octavian hasn't returned from the 'World of Doughnuts' conference (or got his Civ2 working!) I can play again about the same time on Monday.



Indian Map
Viking Map
Main Continent Map
Island Map

 

[GaryNemo]

860AD Status of the NUF Monarchy - 512 gold

Fortunately, we know of Chivalry, not Feudalism, so can build Knights and still IPRB Warriors. Brilliant, My Queen!

Ahh, we have Caravals and know of Republic! NUF subverted Cadiz, now building its Guard Dip, exciting. Bactra is a new surprise. Jayne, you have lured some hapless Vikings into our Viborg Trap, excellent!

Cymru Straits Caravel is ready to go with RC Silk to Dehli, and other Silk Caravans (LC, CJ) nearby. Settlers approaching Hill Mine Site, NE of Fish.

860 AD Status: 1,700,000 people in 34 cities. 512 gold, 30,00,70% 1.Scientist 2.Elvii, 3.Celebrations. F5 $49 -17, Sci 149 in 7 turns. F11 Mfg=143, Family Size=5.6 NUF is swallowing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area, Productivity and Family Size ! Cities ready to grow: Elysium, Civvium.

780 AD Status: 1,680,000 people in 31 cities. 1128 gold, 30,00,70% With download changes: 1.Scientist 4.Elvii, 4.Celebrations. F5 $48 -17, Sci 140 in 6 turns, needs RC Celebration. F11 Mfg=137, Family Size=5.0 NUF is crushing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area, Productivity and Family Size ! Cities ready to grow: Legendary City (Plains rather than Fish?), IWC, Little Nemo w Elvis, Lindow Moss (GLS or Peat?), York Downs.   Elysium grows in 8, Civvium grows in 7

500 AD Status: 1,120,000 people in 24 cities. 290 gold, 30,00,70% One Scientist, 4.Elvii, 4.Celebrations. F5 $42 -15, Sci 133 in 6 turns. F11 Mfg=99, Family Size=4.6 NUF is again #1 in Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, only #2 in Population, slipped to #3 in Family Size.

Researching Unknown (due in 6 turns), known: Alphabet, Astronomy, Bridge, Bronze, CBurial, Chivalry, CodeLaws, Construction, Currency, Engineering, HBR, Invention, Iron Working, Literacy, Map Making, Masonry, Mathematics, Monarchy, Monotheism, Mysticism, Navigation, Philosophy, Polytheism, Pottery, Republic, Seafaring Harbors, Trade, University, WarriorCode, Wheel and Writing.

-GaryNemo, Deputy to the Domestic Advisor, now out to work

 

[funxus]

Nice having a foot in both spain and persia
We need more improvement settlers. We have 9 improvement-settlers on our main continent, which has 25 cities.
While checking I also saw that the archer in York downs is supported in MD, where one shield of support is payed. We'd save one shield if we rehome it in York Downs.

 

[Zwelgje]

I like this a lot!!!
Let's IPRB some units in the newly acquired cities of Cadiz and Bactra. We don't want to lose them and give gold and tech away! I was thinking of diplos in both cities to begin with and then maybe a unit. Crusader or catapult will be nice as they've both got a defensive unit already.

I'll take a closer look tonight but I I'm afraid the next two days I won't have time to do much on my job of foreign advisor. Tnight I'll go swimming and tomorrow it's Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa Claus).

 

[funxus]

This is a silly question, but I have never thought of it before.
The spears to the left of the herald when talking to another civ, what do they mean?

 

[Jayne]

I assume they mean relative power. The Vikings had 1, so I guess they are weakest. Spanish had 5 out of 6, so they are second most powerful - hopefully after us!

 

[Jayne]

Just spotted, thh dip heading west along the pole is nearest Corinth! I thought it would be near a Russian city, not a Greek one! So now we know roughly where all our rivals are!

 

[ainwood]

Great job Jayne (and all advising and inputting).

As you've probably noticed, I haven't been overly active in this game in the last few weeks. Hopefully can get a bit more involved in the next week or two..... but Jan. could be a write-off

 

[Elsaak]

Great turn !
I like this position in both spanish and persian land ;
but it would be great job to keep them, too...

 

[Zwelgje]

Originally posted by Elsaak
but it would be great job to keep them, too...

That's also my concern. At deity the AI is stronger so our units could easily be defeated especially when the AI manages to bring 3 or 4 units in a row.
Oh well, we'll see.

 

[GaryNemo]

860AD Detailed Status of the NUF Monarchy - 512 gold

Are we going to Republic? Caravan Plans? War Plans?

Download Serf changes:

REGIA CIVITAS: Magellan 0/400?
Elysium: PRB $28!, University in 10
  move Settler NW to Irrigate & Road GLS
Civvium: hire Elvis to freeze growth and Celebrate
  Caravan: 7/40 in 8? OR Settler w IPRB?
Marl Downs: Ocean serf to Road, sw to Caravan 0/50 in 10
Rehome Legion in Mordhiemia, ship to Wheat Island.
Eboracum: IPRB $2, Caravan 19/50 in 6
Hipsheim: IPRB $4, Dip 8/30 in 9

Lindow Moss: Sw to Gems Caravan 0/50 in 10
  Rehome Uppsala Crusaders when Road is built!
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14.
Cadiz: Serf to Forest, Dip 12/30, IPRB $19, Dip in 2.
Bactra: Serf to Forest, Dip 0/30, needs IPRB=10 $17

Other Status and ideas:
Gabba Gabba: Caravan 15/50 in 7, could IPRB $11...
Beast Flats: Caravan 43/50 in 1, where did the Ferry go?
  Food Box=0 will be a Crisis as we Revolt?
Penguin Flats: Settler 17/40 in 8 ok
Khorsabad: Settler 31/40, IPRB when North City is built in 2?
Khors.South: Grows in 3 to Whale, Archer 4/30 in 8

York Downs: IPRB=10 $2, Settler 9/40 in 10
Octavia: Settler 9/40 in 9, grows in 5 ok
Neuma: Temple 14/40 in 9
Dellham: Catapult 6/40 in 6? already supporting Legion War Unit!
Fort Anarchy: Caravan 10/50 in 8, could IPRB $11... needs Irrigation
Castle Jayne: Settler 8/40 in 8, grows in 3, maybe ok

Routskilde: Temple 0/40 in 10, grows in 5 ok, serf onto Peat
Banana Bay: Catapult 0/40, one Settler needs to build a City.
Udal: Settler 0/40 in 14?
Uppsala Barracks: Temple 10/40 in 6

Delhi now demands Copper Dye Silk (changed from Hides & Wool), Madras the same Dye Copper Silver. Dehli still wants Silk. We have many silk factories: Bedfont Lakes, TFalls, Gabba Gabba seem convenient. The Marl Downs Salt we will surely deliver to Elysium, and RC Silk (in Cymru Straits) to Dehli again. We have 7 other Caravans:

We have 15 Settlers and are building 9 more. We own 6 Caravels, 17.Dips, 4.Crusaders 2.Knights and 8.Legions. The Reneaux Knight may be killed.

We own 12 Temples, 2 Libraries, a Courthouse and Marketplace in Elysium, and Uppsala Barracks. We are building The University of Elysium, Temples of Neuma Routskilde Uppsala and Viborg?, 12.Caravans, 3.Diplomats, Ferry Caravel Cymru Straits, 2 Catapults (some want Crusaders instead) and an Archer.

These cities are about to build Settlers, then grow immediately back to Size=3: Mordhiemia, Monks Towne.

We have several cities that can build anything:
REGIA CIVITAS: Magellan 0/400?
TFalls: Caravan? 0/50 in 13?
Little Nemo: Settler 0/40 in 13 (IPRB=10 $2)
Nemo Bay: Caravan 42/50 in 2, then Caravan?
Bedfont Lakes: Caravan 45/50 in 1, then Caravan?
Beast Flats: Caravan 43/50 in 1, where did the Ferry go?

Marl Downs: Ocean serf to Road, sw to Caravan 0/50 in 10
Mordhiemia: Settler 36/40 in 1, then Settler? Caravan?
Reneaux: Food Caravan 36/50 in 3? IPRB $8?
Monks Towne: Settler 34/40 in 2, then Settler? Caravan?
Legendary City: Caravan 23/50 in 4
Cymru Straits: Caravel 39/40, serf Plains or Fish? Next?
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14.

We must take a close look at our Caravans, our Settlers, our support and preparations for Republic.

-GaryNemo, self appointed WatchDog of Productivity.

 

[Zwelgje]

My concern:
There is a chariot outside Viborg and a horseman next to our knights. When they attack at the beginning of next turn we will surely lose 2 units!

My solution:
Before hitting enter contact the Vikings and see if they are ready to sign a peace treaty. They are small, we are big. We have already taken a large part of their empire. They should be afraid.
Don't give them anything though, there are 3 units in Viborg, one of them being crusaders. We'll kill them if we have to, but it's more convenient to try to save units without any costs.

If we want war again we just contact them again and ask for tribute.

 

[GaryNemo]

We are already at Peace with the Vikings. Would they attack?

Support Plans for Republic

We are already in good shape, regarding Support and Unhappiness. We are allowed one War Unit per city. A Legion has recently walked down to Elysium, established home there, and is now back near Dellham. We could ship it to India, or send it up to Viking Land.

The Boreum Ferry is near YD with Ebor Settler and a Dip, ready to sail to Wheat South and found a city, start a Settler. The guard Legion was just built by MD, which already supports the Boreum Ferry. The new Legion is walking to Mord to rehome there, then ferry to Wheat Island. That will be the war unit for Mord, but with the emminent Settler, it would be the fourth unit. Octavia is guarded by a Mord Legion, so take support into Octavia. That resolves Boreum.

Unfortify the Dip SW of CJ, and send it up via Monks Towne, rehome there, then go guard Dellham.

Banana Bay is our only city with 2 Settlers, and is ok. It would grow more quickly if one of them could found a city, say Hill Mine. Udal is ok, but its Settler should found Lone Bison (on Island) before the next Settler is built. Fort Anarchy could support a war unit, also Monks Towne, Hipsheim and Nemo Bay.

Uppsala just built a Crusader, and may build more units, perhaps a Vet Catapult after the Temple in 6 turns. Unfortify and move the Viborg Legion S, so the Viking scum can only kill the fortified Warrior in Viborg. The Crusader will exact revenge. As soon at the Lindow Moss Road is ready, the Crusader might gallop there and rehome. Or perhaps later, rehome the new Upps Crusader in Viborg. Lindow Moss can support a war unit, also its Upps Archer guard, once it grows to Size=2 and works the Peat.

Beast Flats may have a problem, its Food Box is empty. In the Revolution into Republic, will that be a problem, or not?

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Originally posted by GaryNemo
Unfortify the Dip SW of CJ, and send it up via Monks Towne, rehome there, then go guard Dellham.

Sorry, I'm just skimming right now, but why do we need to rehome the Dip?

 

[Octavian X]

An update on my attempts to nurse Civ2.exe to health...

From what I can tell, the problem stems from a conflict between my sound card and Windows XP. I will attempt to get a new card soon.

As for the possibility of patching, it doesn't look good. First, I'd have to get a new unzipping program for the .ace files. Considering my internet connection, it would be much easier to attempt the sound card reintallation.

Also, the 'World of Doughnuts' conference was a blast.

Now, to end the threadjacking: After looking through GaryNemo's post, a switch to republic may look good soon. Perhaps after we have dealed more with the Vikings, we should switch.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

It might not be your actual sound card,but just your drivers. That was most of my problem when I got my XP. All my drivers needed to be updated.

 

[Jayne]

Do we still want to build Magellans now? We could have Theory of Gravity and Issac's in as few as 3 turns. Maybe we want to use our caravans for building that?

 

[funxus]

I'd rather have Isaac's than Magellan's. If someone else builds Magellans we can capture it. If they build Newton's there's not much we can do

 

[Elsaak]

Isaac's is hightly necessary to our SSC ; then I vote for switching our plans from Magellan's to Isaac's

 

[GaryNemo]

In Elysium University 86/160, we can PRB $28, then it will be completed in 10 turns. Actually fewer, Elysium grows in 4, new serf onto a GLS. Btw, a Settler is irrigating Grassland near Elysium. We could "Clear Orders", move NW Irrigate then Road a GLS, a production square, instead So while I think Caraval speed will matter more to us, I recognize Isaac is very important to many - Elysium could build it in 10 turns.

I would rehome the Dip in MT (from RC) simply because MT seems safe, and we have two Dips homed in RC. It doesn't really matter. It is important Dips are well positioned. The Dip now standing on Silk can stay down at that post.

The oedo years for Republic are 840/860 920/940 and 1000/1020, so 920.AD is the next opportunity.