Next Turn - 940 AD

[Octavian X]

My first turn. I never realized it would take 2 hours...

Also, I apoligize in advance since I did some stupid things, and have also done other stupid things that I don't realize I did. Remember, I'm new at this...

860 AD (continued)

Made recommended changes

880 AD

Sneak attack by Viking chariot!

Viborg legion, warrior destoryed by chariot, nearby night destoryed by catapult.

Consul Xerxers asks for an audience. Request granted.
Persia demands secrets of Navigation. Demands refused.
Persia offers cease-fire. Accepted.
Persia offers peace treaty. Accepted.
Discussion ended.

Begin research of Banking (only other option: physics)

Order restored in Bactra.

Beast Flats completes Silk caravan. Starts another.

WLTKD in Civvium.

Mordhiemia builds settlers.

Pop decrease in Viborg.

Viborg Crusader destorys Viking horse, chariot. Moved legion from Uppsala to defend front. Viborg production changed to phalanx, and rushed.
Diverted units in caravel N. of Banana Bay towards Vikings

900 AD

Spanish and Vikings sign 'secret' alliance against Fanatica! Spanish units gather near Cadiz

Caravel near Lahore lost to Spanish attack.

Persia begins Marco's embassy

Nemo Bay- salt caravan done

Eboracum settler arrives with dip at wheat island.

920 AD

Spanish catapult attacks Cadiz. Pikeman lost.

Used dip to bribe Spanish knight. Knight defeats catapult (one remains)

Found Wheat City (site D) begins?

Set lux rates to max, force scientist to start impersonating Elvis in RC.

The repressive Kingdom of the New United Fanatica is overthrown!

940 AD

Cadiz destoryed by Spanish forces.

Neuma, Nemo Bay, GG riot

Legendary city completes bead caravan

Republic form of Government chosen. Octavian X proclaimed first Consul the the New United Fanatican Republic!

Nothing has been done yet this turn. Advisors, citizens, please assess our new situation under our new Republican Government. As for me, I'm missing my favorite anime right now...

North
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Southwest

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

First, we should have the Luxuries at about 20% in Republic. That should take care of most of the unhappiness issues and should actually put some of the cities into celebration.

Viborg has no shields for production.

Banana Bay is currently short three food per turn with only 12 food in the box. Temp fixes can be: put serf to Grassland, city would still be short two food per turn, then send settler over to rehome to Routskilde. Then settler can be used to found new city.

Bedfont lakes has no food for growth, we can move serf to grassland if growth is wanted.

GabbaGabba has no food for growth, we can move serf to grassland if growth is wanted.

Khorsabad is short one food per turn. City is trying to disband. Settler that is supported by city is currently irrigating. Serf can be moved to choice of squares depending upon desired effect.

Mord has no shields for production.

Overall, a very nice transition into Republic. Just be sure to keep the cities out of disorder as to avoid a collapse of the Government.

Sad to lose so many units and a city, but.... that's what they are there for. Very glad that if we were not able to fend off the Spanish at least they were not able to capture the city.

 

[GaryNemo]

940AD Status of the NUF Republic - 239 gold

Woohoo! Republic at last! Excellent, Your Excellency!

Donuts for all, I assume, sir?

But it was Pearl Harbor day all over again at Viborg. The filthy Vikings! Outrageous that their pathetic Chariot destroyed both our fortified Legion and Warrior, but that's the way it goes in Deity. You avenged them, sir. And now the people of Reneaux are eager for revenge - they demand we build a new war unit there. A Knight? A Trondheim smashing Catapult?

Our enemies have started Marco Polo! Anything else?

940 AD Status: 1,750,000 people, still 34 cities. 239 gold, For comparison at 30,00,70% No.Scientist 4.Elvii, No.Celebrations, only 4.Disorder (GG BFL Neuma NB). F5 $69 -17, Sci 203 in 5.turns. F11 Mfg=156, Family Size=5.4   NUF is ahead of our vicious enemies, again sweeping #1 in Manufacturing, Land Area, Productivity and Family Size! #2 in Population, at the moment.

860 AD Status: 1,700,000 people in 34 cities. 512 gold, 30,00,70% 1.Scientist 4.Elvii, 4.Celebrations. F5 $49 -17, Sci 149 in 7 turns. F11 Mfg=143, Family Size=5.6 NUF is swallowing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area, Productivity and Family Size ! Cities ready to grow: Elysium, Civvium.

500 AD Status: 1,120,000 people in 24 cities. 290 gold, 30,00,70% One Scientist, 4.Elvii, 4.Celebrations. F5 $42 -15, Sci 133 in 6 turns. F11 Mfg=99, Family Size=4.6 NUF is again #1 in Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, only #2 in Population, slipped to #3 in Family Size.

Deliver RC Silk to Dehli in 3 turns, and MD Salt to Elysium whenever we want.

Researching Banking (due in 1 turn), 31 known: Alphabet, Astronomy, Bridge, Bronze, CBurial, Chivalry, CodeLaws, Construction, Currency, Engineering, HBR, Invention, Iron Working, Literacy, Map Making, Masonry, Mathematics, Monarchy, Monotheism, Mysticism, Navigation, Philosophy, Polytheism, Pottery, Republic, Seafaring Harbors, Trade, University, WarriorCode, Wheel and Writing.

@ 20,30,50% 1.Sci 2.Elvii F5= $54 -17, Sci 144/7 14 Celebrations!

@ 20,20,60% 1.Sci 3.Elvii F5= $44 -17, Sci 182/5 12 Celebrations!

Adjusting 1.Scientist, Dellham Mine serf to River, Civvium needs irrigation!, Beast Flats survived, Banana crisis in 3, Bactra IPRB!, Viborg has 3 attackers, Uppsala RB Temple $26, Ren Knight.

@ 20,20,60% 1.Sci 3.Elvii Sci 184/5   12 Celebrations that grow!

We will grow, and need to bump Lux even to 30% shortly.

-GaryNemo, Deputy to the Domestic Advisor, now off to a lecture.

 

[Jayne]

I may be wrong, but I think Elysium, Tfalls and Reneaux will riot if we don't do something like alter the lux rate. And surely if riots continue into 980ad the government will collapse!

 

[Rout]

Lets contact the persians again and see if theyll swap navigation for something we may want.

 

[GaryNemo]

A few quick thoughts - 940AD

I assume Lux 20% right now, so 20,20,60% Soon Lux 30%.
Elysium, TFalls, Ren and others will Celebrate and grow.

Routskilde: Temple 20/40, completes in 4 turns as it grows.
Marl Downs: Market 21/60, an excellent choice,
  perhaps PRB=40 $38 when we have $cash.
Neuma: serf to Forest, Temple 25/40 in 8,
  Settler must build a city.
BB Settler on Ren Wine: rehome in Ren, irrigate Ren.

REGIA CIVITAS: Scientist? IPRB $4, Caravan 30/50 in 4,
  Marco Polo? Aquaduct?
Elysium: grows in 1, University in 9, serfs?
Civvium: Elvis works Fish, Celebrate & grow
Nemo Bay: serf to ocean or Plains Road
Little Nemo: Settler 12/40, grows in 17, so IPRB $some

Ebor: Caravan 37/50 in 5? Disband Warrior?
Wheat City: switch Phx to Settler!
Dellham: Mine serf to River, so Celebrates and grows
Hipsheim: has Elysium Legion, ready for duty. To Where?
Fort Anarchy: Caravan IPRB $6, serf to irrigation, 30/50 in 4
Cymru Straits: Fish serf to Plains Road, Caravans to Wonders.
Uppsala: Temple 27/40, Rush Buy $26 then Celebrate.

Khorsabad: needs attention. Found Knors.North then RB Disband?   Bactra? York Downs? Udal? Mord? Viborg attack plan? Replace lost Trireme? Disband various Warriors?

New Settler plans? Udal Settler on Forest? None irrigate RC's Pheasant into Buffalo? CJ Settler near Elysium: Clear.Orders and Road.

Need more attention to Caravans, Delivery, Commodity choice.
RC Silk to Dehli, MD Salt to Elysium, Civ Silver to ??? Others?
We own 14 Caravans and plan to deliver 3, leaves 11.

Silk Caravans in Cymru Straits, head to central Aonia.
Archer in India is a problem, sail back and pick it up now,
  drop on Mtn, SE India Peninsula.
LC Caravel near Lahore, come back for Dip Captain?

Our enemies have started Marco Polo! Anything else?

 

[GaryNemo]

I'm thinking of a poll like this:

Marco & Tax 940AD

The Persians began Marco's Embassy in 900AD. We still need Magellan. Isaac requires a Science we are not researching. We have one good Caravan ready to go into Dehli in 3 turns, with no followup.

There are 5 Caravans near REGIA CIVITAS. One is the Valuable Civvium Silver. Others are BFL Wine, TFalls Gold, GG Wine, Ren Spice. Near Elysium is the Demanded MD Salt, and FA Coal. Beast Flats Silk in 2 turns. Ren Food near Monks Towne. Cymru Straits is hiding 2 Caravans, LC and CJ Silk, 5 turns from Elysium. LC just build Beads. That's 13, there is one more Caravan somewhere !?

A. Luxury 20%, Tax 20%, Science 60% (R)
A. Luxury 20%, Tax 30%, Science 50%
A. More Luxury%, see my post
A. More Luxury% and More tax%, see my post
B. Add Luxury as the Celebration needs (R)
B. No, Celebrate only so far and stall out.
C. Marco Polo is important, build it
C. No, stick with Magellan, get it together
C. No, stick with Isaac, we'll learn of it soon.
D. If Marco, RC Diplomat in 1, then Marco.
D. If Marco, RC $4 Caravan in 4, then Marco.
E. Use Civvium Silver, Trade route into RC
E. Use Civvium Silver, rehome RC Trade route into Madras (R)
E. Use Civvium Silver to build a wonder

Comments?

 

[GaryNemo]

Celebration and Luxury

If you're wondering how this Celebration works, I just posted my log in Gotm 22 Spoiler (Emperor). Once into Republic, I jacked up Luxuries for 5 turns until I ran out of excess food, and the F11 Manufacturing went from 138 to 163 shields per turn. Then back to 20% Luxuries, and only needed to fix two cities with Temples or Elvis. If you want the save file to try it, just PM me.

 

[Talar]

I still think Marco Polo's wouldn't be worth even half the resources it takes to build. Of the wonders Isaac's is the most important to get.

I thought we were building two wonders, if not we should get a second one started to get both Issac's and Magellan or something else not yet discovered.

 

[Jayne]

We were unlucky not to be offered Theory of Gravity last time. I think as soon as Elysium finishes university, we should start a wonder and switch to Issac's when we can. I agree Marco's is not a priority. We can capture it later!

 

[GaryNemo]

Many plans are now needed. Not all of them need polls, perhaps none. Perhaps the only items that require polls are already being polled in Tax Marco 940AD. I pose the following questions to our Citizens, in no particular order. Each of these cries for a short term plan:

• How shall we deal with the Spanish, the loss of Cadiz?
• How shall we deal with the Vikings? Legion kills Chariot, but then what? Kill the Catapult, and face retaliation from their Horse? What else?
• How shall we secure Bactra? Beast Flats Caraval pick up GG Warrior in Khorsabad and deliver up to Bactra? Occupy Fortified Hill? IPRB the Bactra Diplomat?
• Shall we rebuild the lost Caravel? How soon, where?
• What about the East Polar Diplomat, now fortified?
• How, exactly, to disband Khorsabad?
• BFL Ferry delivers Caravan, then what? Penguin serf to ocean or forest? What to do with the Settler? Go irrigate Beast Flats at last?
• Boreum Ferry drops Legion at Wheat.South, then what? Rehome anything? Next Ferry job? Boreum build Qs to support expansion, hence work for the Ferry?
• Two Settlers in Boreum, what to do?
• We have an extra Dip near Thunderfalls. Guard Dip plan?
• Serf irrigating near Elysium: Clear.Orders and build Road? Elysium grows in 1 turn.
• We planned to control territory in India. That means that Caravel must sail West and pickup to Archer, and deliver it to the target peninsula, a mountain, right now, yes? Then what? What if the Indians bribe it?
• A War Legion is vacationing in Hipsheim. Deploy it where?
• Two Caravans languishing in Cymru Straits, exactly what to do? Proceed to GG or LN?
• GG Wine near RC: Rehome in RC for delivery to Lahore? What other Foreign Caravans can we plan?
• Banana Bay is starving rapidly. Rehome the Settler near Ren, but then what? Charge and quickly irrigate Reneaux? Then go found Lone Bison on its teeny island? Which Settler?
• None Settler near Nemo Bay: Irrigate the Pheasant?
• Two Settlers near Monks Towne: Irrigate, then what?
• Three Settlers near Dellham, 2 more near BB, what next?
• Go found V3, W W of Upps? Viborg Settler?
• Longer term, do we try to capture Trondheim, bypassing Hladir and Kaupang? Subvert them? Maintain a state of war? Build what? Specific proposals, please. City X builds: Knights, Crusaders, Catapult.
• None of our six Triremes carries a Dip Captain. What about that? And how then to continue to explore the Black Vastness?
• Build Q matters: RC, Civ, NB, Ebor, DH, Hip, CJ? Rout? Others?
• Rush Buy Uppsala Temple $26? Then build what? Catapult?
• Disband a Warrior or two? Which ones? How best to benefit from the shields?
• When do we settle the peninsula, NW of Routskilde?
• Is our Science plan clear? Isaac & Gravity, then Explosive Engineers?
• Contact the Persians again to see if they'll swap Navigation for something we may want? What do we really want? Only Gravity for Isaac?
• The Celebration will trigger wild growth in a third of our cities. How to push that for maximum benefit? Serf changes? I'd like to tackle this one.
• Items I mentioned above - Quick Thoughts
• Anything else? Caravans, Build Qs, Settlers, Caravels, Dips, Units, IPRB?

Please provide a plan or suggestion for any of them, either here or in a new thread. If alternatives develop, I or someone can poll from a position of knowledge.

 

[Jayne]

We planned to control territory in India. That means that Caravel must sail West and pickup to Archer, and deliver it to the target peninsula, a mountain, right now, yes? Then what? What if the Indians bribe it?

We need a second unit. They can't bribe units in a stack.

How shall we secure Bactra? Beast Flats Caraval pick up GG Warrior in Khorsabad and deliver up to Bactra? Occupy Fortified Hill? IPRB the Bactra Diplomat?

Sounds good to me!

What about the East Polar Diplomat, now fortified?

Pick up dip in the nearby caravel, and proceed east to map out the rest of Bactra Island and see exactly what we are up against. We don't know if we're virtually alone, or have 2 or 3 major Persian cities nearby. I think we'll be reasonable alone there as we know Antioch is further north.

Go found V3, W W of Upps? Viborg Settler?

That's what I would have done if still playing!

Three Settlers near Dellham, 2 more near BB, what next?

Weren't two of these settlers near Dellham on their way to Hill Mine? And one of the BB ones to either found Hill Mine or Lone Bison?

 

[Elsaak]

Lone Bison is important to be founded ; but what about the North Wheat Island, nearby Vikings coasts ?

 

[MonkE]

Random stuff:

Banana Bay- rehome the settler in Ren and switch the serf in BB to the Fruit. This will result in +1 food.

Silk caravans at Cymru- rehome at RC, send one or both to India, maybe one to St. Petersburg.

Nemo Bay could produce Silver for Madras.

The Vikings: I favor taking Hladir first as it will be a much better base for capturing Trondheim. Near term- Legion kills Chariot, then Crusaders kill the Catapult and Phx moves E. Horsemen can then only attack phx with defense of 3 (on forest).

The Spanish: Forget them while the Vikings are pending unless they come over to bother us.

The Indians: I'd like to consider them informal allies unless they show otherwise. They are good trading partners. Let's expire the Great Wall or develop Howitzers before taking them on militarily.

 

[Rout]

Routskilde- build phalanx defense, boot out None unit for viking spankage

Vikings (re GaryNemo): conservative defense, let them die attacking us until forces can be amassed in the area. Bribe if possible, ESPECIALLY NEARER THEIR CITIES, ARMY OF NONE WILL ROUT THE ENEMY WITH NO SUPPORT, NO MISERIES AT HOME. Once we have operational forces in the area, we can cut them down and they'll be out of our hair for good. Attacking them at this stage will only lose our units (Aside from diplo-sneakiness).

Spanish (MonkE): Agreed; too far away, too irrelevant. Their time will come.

Elsaak - welcome back!

 

[GaryNemo]

Assuming The People agree with my post now being planned, which will cover Celebration and Settlers, these remaining plans are needed. Several people have posted plans (earlier). I pose these remaining questions to our Citizens, in no particular order:

• How shall we deal with the Vikings? Legion kills Chariot, but then what? Use the (expendable) Upps Crusader in Viborg to kill the Catapult, and face retaliation from their Horse? What is our defensive plan? MonkE says to move the Viborg Phx E onto Forest to intercept Viking Horse. Sounds good to me.
• Shall we rebuild the lost Caravel? How soon, where? Elsaak has mentioned the desirability to settle the new Wheat Island, S of Lindholm. When? How?
• BFL Ferry delivers Caravan, then what? Penguin serf to ocean (Nemo). What to do with the Settler? Go irrigate Beast Flats at last?
• Boreum Ferry drops Legion at Wheat.South, then what? Rehome anything? (Rather not at this time) Next Ferry job? Boreum specific build Qs to support expansion, hence work for the Ferry?
• We have an extra Dip near Thunderfalls. Guard Dip plan?
• We planned to control territory in India. That means that Caravel must sail West and pickup to Archer, and deliver it to the target peninsula, a mountain, right now, AGREED?
  Then what? What if the Indians bribe it? Which second unit?
• A War Legion is vacationing in Hipsheim. Deploy it where?
• GG Wine near RC: Rehome in RC for delivery to Lahore?
• None of our six Triremes carries a Dip Captain. What about that? And how then to continue to explore the Black Vastness?
• Build Q matters: Civ, NB, Ebor, DH, Hip, CJ? Others?
• When do we settle the peninsula, NW of Routskilde?
• Is our Science plan clear? Isaac & Gravity, then Explosive Engineers?
• Contact the Persians again to see if they'll swap Navigation for something we may want? What do we really want? Only Gravity for Isaac? Nothing else, right?
• Other items I mentioned above - Quick Thoughts
• Anything else? Caravans, Build Qs, Settlers, Caravels, Dips, Units, IPRB?

Please provide a plan or suggestion for any of them, either here or in a new thread. If alternatives develop, I or someone can poll from a position of knowledge. Otherwise, we may be planning to move in 24 hours - see Christmas thread.

 

[GaryNemo]

Celebration and Settlers 940AD

Set Luxury 20%, Tax 20%, Science 60% (A)

Key: (A) Approved, (L) Listed in 940AD, (D) Discussed, (N) Nemo

REGIA CIVITAS: IPRB $4, Scientist, Caravan in 4 (D)
  spare RC Phx war unit, deploy where?
Elysium Trick: move Irrigated Serf into ocean, Celebration
  starts, then serf into Green Road, Food+1 and Zoom!
  With Food Box loaded & Size=5, move serf back to best Road
Civvium: Elvis onto Road, IPRB $2, Celebrate & grow, then Fish

Penguin Flats: Elvis onto ocean, Celebrates, (D)
  Possible that serf#4 ocean will continue celebration,
  at end of Celb, put one serf on forest, finish Settler.
Eboracum: Forest serf to ocean, Celebrates like Magic! (N)
Dellham: Mine serf to River, so Celebrates and grows (N)
  Dellham Knights in 3: rehome in Hipsheim. (L)
Fort Anarchy Coal: Freeze growth onto Plains, IPRB $6, Van in 5 (L)
Cymru Straits: Fish serf to Plains Road, Caravans to Wonders.
  Switch repeat Caravel to Copper Caravan 7/50 in 15
Banana Bay: Whale serf to irrigated Grassland. This is old business from the disbanding of Roskilde. One Settler rehomes in Ren, the other Settler must go found a city somewhere ASAP. Where? No good prospects.

Uppsala Temple: Rush Buy $26 (L) Then build ... Catapult?

That sets up 13 WLTK Celebrations, 40% of our cities.

Now move units and Press EndOfTurn. Off we grow!
Please review the guidelines in Civil Disorder:
  Topic 7. Celebration: Population Explosion, Irrigation.

Other Cities:
TFalls: Van 23/50 in 6? DYE. Celebrates.
Marl Downs: Market 21/80, if $rich PRB=20 (N)
York Downs: perhaps Rehome the Archer here, to help MD.
Mordhiemia: new serf on Green being irrigated, SE of Lake.
  Celebration will resolve support problems.
Octavia: grows in 1, be careful by hiring Elvis, then check later, rather not rehome Mord Legion at this time. Octavia needs production shields to build Settler after Settler, already supports one, and Settler 20/40 in 10?
Neuma: Temple 25/40 in 15, Settler @MT MUST Build a New City. (L) Lone Bison? Neuma needs no guard. Supported Legion in MD is available war unit.
Wheat City: switch Phx to Settler!

Reneaux: Food Van 10/50 in 10, Celebrates,
  needs irrigation to handle BB Settler.
Monks Towne: celebrates, being irrigated, sw to Settler 6/40 in 10

Legendary City: Caravan 0/50 in 9, celebrates, needs Green Road...
Castle Jayne: Settler 25/40 in 6, growth serf onto road!

Udal: Settler 15/50, perhaps switch to Van? City Sites?
Viborg: no net production, so Settler go founds V3 (W W of Uppsala)

 

[GaryNemo]

Settlers support the Celebration:   (I=Irrigate)

None @ RC: Irrigate Pure Green for RC where it stands.
  Then SE Plains I.
LN near GG: continue to irrigate GG Plains.
  Then head to Civvium, charging, irrigate BFL-Civvium Road.
CJ Settler irrigating near Elysium: Clear.Orders and build Road (L)
  Elysium grows in 1 turn.
Mordhiemia: Continue irrigate, SE of Lake. Then SW I.
Octavia: Continue irrigate, then either ship out or help MD.

Rehome the BB Settler: from Ren Wine: N SE charge, SE charge, charge (Ren grows), SE rehome in Ren (Agreed by MonkE), NW NW irrigate River Grassland ... but then what? Go irrigate another River square used by Reneaux.
DH (S of DH): SE to irrigate for Reneaux - critical for growth.
Neuma near MT: Finish Irrigation, then head to Udal, found Lone Bison.
MT: Finish Irrigation, then help CJ or LC.
TFalls near FA: head to Hill Mine 82,36 and Mine. (D)
Ren near FA: head to Desert 84,36 and Road there. (D)
  After Mine is started, found Hill Mine city. (D)
Udal on Forest: not sure. It's wandering.
BB: not sure. Go Road NW of Routskilde?

Lindow Moss Settler: with the recent setback in Viborg, it seems best to use the Viborg Settler to found V3 (W W of Uppsala). LM produces valuable Gems, demanded by TFalls and Lahore. It would be nice to grow onto the Peat, switch to Caravan 10/50 in 9, Gems. The Settler is irrigating, nothing but trouble. Clear.Orders, West to Upps GLS, Road, then Irrigate, then Upps can finally use the Iron (N!)

 

[GaryNemo]

Misc Productivity 940AD

Little Nemo: Settler 12/40, grows in 17, so IPRB $some (L)
Nemo Bay: serf to Forest, IPRB $2 Silver Van 9/50,
  IPRB=20 $8, Silver Van in 6 (D)
Bedfont Lakes: Silk Van 24/50 in 7 w IPRB=20 $2.
Gabba Gabba: Van 33/50 in 5? 6?
  One Forest serf to newly irrigated plains, grow.
  This city could celebrate and grow to Size=4.
Beast Flats: IPRB $6, Van 17/50 in 6.
Eboracum: Silk Van in 5 or so.

Hipsheim: Dip 18/30 in 6, could IPRB=20 $4.
  Hipsheim has Elysium Legion, ready for duty. To Where?
Routskilde: Temple in 4, grows in 4, Too late to Celebrate?
  Then start Phx for defense to release the None Crusader (Rout)

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Wow, that's alot of info... Glad someone is able to do it.

It looks decent to me....

We could even just kill the Chariot and let the catapult and horseman get closer and kill them both next turn. Even if the horseman runs towards Uppsala, it won't get any farther than the forest square where a Crusader could run it down.