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Nicolas Maduro Wins Venezuelan Presidency in Close Race

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ReindeerThistle, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    Lmao. As truths begin to emerge, it looks like Capriles actually won practically every state in Venezuela! :lol:

    Even Amazonas, Barinas, Apure and Maracay was won by Capriles! Those are the hard-core Chavista provinces.
     
  2. ReindeerThistle

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    What truths would this be, ex-pat? Since y'all like to cite wikipedia, here is theirElection results by state.
     
  3. BirraImperial

    BirraImperial Pura Vida!

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    Sure If you don't mind political persecution, rampant violence, particularly aimed against what is remaining of the middle / higher classes, the government taking everything you own in favor of the "revolution", constant lines to buy basic groceries, power outages, the scrutiny of every single thing you say and do; I guess Venezuela is a great place to live.
     
  4. ReindeerThistle

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    You are talking about the United States, right? Because, I you think all this applies to Venezuela, you are sorely mistaken. The government does not "take everything you own.". Who says that? Freedom of the press and airwaves in Venezuela is unprecedented -- the state run TV is only 6% of the market,TBH. It is not a perfect country, but it is better by far under the Bolivarian Constitution than in 1989 during the Caracazo. No one is hungry, are they? I live in the united states, where 18,000 people a year die from treatable but untreated emergencies -- and we as a nation spend $2.5 trillion on health care.
     
  5. TheLastOne36

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    You mean the results that the opposition denies?

    Also no one is hungry? Again you demonstrate you know nothing of the country.



    Venezuelans don't have butter, milk, or flour. Not only the poor, but also the middle class. There literally is very little of it inside the country, and due to supply and demand, the costs of them all have skyrocketed. It's skyrocketed so high that most Venezuelans over the last four years have been forced to buy powdered milk instead.
     
  6. ReindeerThistle

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    Okay, so, aside from this damning proof of a photo --it looks like Halloween in Greenwich village -- whence do you get this data.

    Oh, BTW, what results were YOU citing when you said Capriles won states he lost? Your "affluence" has clouded your thinking, I believe. Besides, I don't think your family could even afford to live in the same neighborhood as I do (while we're throwing around unproven, baseless allegations -- and, BTW I do not live in Brooklyn Heights -- the most expensive neighborhood) let alone where my mother grew up -- with Standard Oil executives as neighbors. I think I've given away more money for my cause than most people make in a year in the US -- and I can still tell an oppositon snow job from the truth. Then again, I am geographically closer to Venezuela than you are.
     
  7. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Once again, all posters from Latin America, with vastly different political leanings, all agree that the Chávez/Maduro regime is an authoritarian, corrupt failure. But the know-it-alls who never set foot in the region and whose primary source of information are Oliver Stone movies and magazines written by equally clueless know-it-alls insist all abuses are dwarfed by those of evil USA. Chávez was a Scandinavian social-democrat on their opinion. Or perhaps a noble savage defending the poor and helpless Venezuelans from that greedy evil group who has ruled them since independence (oh, what a sophisticated understanding of history!).

    Anyway, here's the graph Venezuelan state-owned TV broadcast with the election results. Note the fine proportions:



    It's almost a parody!
     
  8. TheLastOne36

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    Likely it is from one of Venezuela's various holidays. Anyway I picked it because it was shared on my facebook by Venezuelans literally 5 minutes before I read your post. :lol:

    I'm not citing any speculation with dubious sources as that doesn't help anyone. I thought it was clear that post on the top of the page was speculation.

    My affluence includes me being in large debt to my student loans that I have no way of paying back at the moment, my father who only now has found a job in his field after 4 years unemployed, and absolutely no inheritance on my part. My family has never owned property and is unlikely to for the next little while. Some affluence. I said I was an 'affluent' grandson in the first page because despite all this, I am compared to most Venezuelans who live with even less wealth. Your socialist heaven in Venezuela you think exists, doesn't actually exist.

    I don't see how any of this is relevant though. Neither is being geographically closer to Venezuela. What actual difference is you in New York compared to myself in Toronto matter?
     
  9. ReindeerThistle

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    Geography is not necessarily relevant, but since branches of my organization are in contact with the consulate and permanent UN mission, my proximity to pro and anti-PSUV elements puts me at a distinct advantage in terms of real data -- data, btw, on the US funding of opposition groups came from US government records.

    I can sympathize with you about student loans, as I recruit many students with such debts who can not hope to pay them off -- but they are trying. President Obama did not pay off his student loans until about 2 years before he ran for Prez. I can also sympathize with your father's financial situation, as more people are losing their jobs everyday, or having pay cuts. Thanks to "ObamaCare," even Adjunct Professors are getting hours cut so the schools can avoid paying for heath care. I am on the front lines in the US. I know.

    Not the Capitalist Heaven American media makes N. America out to be, verdad?

    I never claimedd Venezuela was heaven, and it is undialectical to think that 14 years of socialist programs would end 200 years of economic disparity.

    Ask Richard Cribb about Scandinavian "socialism," he lives in Norway.
     
  10. TheLastOne36

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    Capriles is conducting a huge interview infront of an international audience. I'll talk more about it later, but first....

    Bravo GloboVision! :lol:

    The Government decided that all TV stations should switch from the middle of Capriles' speech to Maduro making an announcement (Rueda de prensa). They switched for a few seconds, and GloboVision just said 'FU' to them and switched back to Capriles. :lol:

    Now they are fighting for control of the broadcast, switching back and forth every few seconds. I think GloboVision decided they truly don't give a f*** anymore.


    edit: RIP GloboVision. I think that is it for them. :sad:
     
  11. luiz

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    And Cabello has stated that he will make Capriles pay for "all the unrest". It won't surprise me if a considerable crackdown on what is left of Venezuelan civil society happens in the next few months. Globovision is obviously doomed, the owner has stated as much in an interview for a Brazilian magazine.

    So it' more like RIP Venezuela. Cubanization proceeds, against the wish of, at the very very least, half the population.
     
  12. TheLastOne36

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    So developments...

    Venezuelan assembly president, Diosdado Cabello, is passing laws without approval of majority of members of the senate, William Davila, a Venezuelan senator, was beaten up for protesting what was happening inside the Assembly:



    Diosdado went on to say: "As long as i am president [of the national assembly], we won't let any senator who doesn't recognize Maduro speak in the assembly."

    Maduro has declared that he no longer considers Capriles the Governor of Miranda and is pursuing legal actions to put Capriles into jail for disturbing the Venezuelan peace.

    Capriles has just had a huge conference where he brought binders of the fraud present in Sunday's election. Capriles said he had full reports on over 3,200 irregularities. Showing areas that had thousands more votes for Maduro alone than the number of registered voters in the area, thousands of people over the age of 120 having submitted votes, 535 voting machines were faulty, 283 voting centers where thugs wearing red were not allowing opposition supporters to enter voting booths, and that there were some voting centers where Maduro got 943% more votes than Chavez.

    Capriles tells his supporters to stop protesting for the sake of preserving peace within the country, and that the government is the one that wants to instigate violence. Maduro responded by telling his supporters on state tv to go on the streets and 'defend your revolution'.

    Maduro called Capriles a fascist, and all the people on the street protesting corrupt bourgeoisie traitors, again on state television. But that was old news. Today he called them all 'gringos' and 'capitalist pigs'.

    Henrique Capriles quotes from today:
    "When you add up all these cases [regarding voting irregularities], don't you think it's democratic that I ask for a recount of the votes?"
    "The right to protest is a right in every democratic country around the world"
    "I'm going to fight until our country has a better future"
    "Their agenda is violence. Our agenda is peaceful protest to recount the votes and end the crisis."

    And to top it all out, the Maduro who said he is the president of the peace on Sunday, today says that he will rule with a "mano dura" (hard hand) and will "radicalizar el revolucion" (radicalize the revolution), and "no permitir marcha en Caracas" (will not permit a march in Caracas by the opposition with the use of force)



    How can anyone defend the Venezuelan government at this point?
     
  13. ace99

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/04/2013416152044803967.html
     
  14. luiz

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    Actually, the people who supported Chavez throughout his reign will get a hard on when watching photos of beaten up oppositionists. If they see bodies they'll reach climax.

    We're talking of Castro fanboys and North Korean apologists. Don't expect them to say "Ok, we we wrong all along,the chavistas are fascists". They like that sort of fascism, especially when it happens thousands of kilometers away from their homes and they can enjoy their splendid first world living standard made possible by Liberal Capitalism.
     
  15. TheLastOne36

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    Capriles: "El Gobierno ordenó esta noche a grupos armados con franelas nuestras romper vidrios de carros, atacar gente, generar violencia. Por favor, ¡compartan este mensaje!"

    [my translation] "The government ordered that tonight, armed groups wearing our shirts destroy windows of cars, attack people, and generate violence. Please share this message around!"


    And so it begins.
     
  16. BirraImperial

    BirraImperial Pura Vida!

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    Maduro is turning out to be even worse than Chávez. I fear more violence will occur and what's left of Venezuela's "democracy" is now gone.
     
  17. ReindeerThistle

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    I'm sorry, who continues to reproduce the photos of the bloody-faced senator?? 3 times already? You guys are such hypocrites.
     
  18. amadeus

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    Who produced the bloody-faced senator?
     
  19. luiz

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    I'm sorry, are we supposed to hide the actions of your beloved blackshirts?
     
  20. TheLastOne36

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    FFS imagine the domestic and international outrage if a US Senator was beaten inside congress.
     

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