Nicolas Maduro Wins Venezuelan Presidency in Close Race

[ace99]

Perhaps you missed all the posts pointing out Maduro's homophobic rantings? Maybe your brain auto censored that for you as it is so inconvenient?

I haven't downloaded that feature yet. I don't like Apple.

I was also talking about the Marxist Reindeer, not Maduro who may or may not be a Marxist but is certainly not a reindeer.

 

[TheLastOne36]

That is hilarious, though only from my detached perspective.

What will be more hilarious is Forma's excuses.

Regarding GloboVision, they are still broadcasting, and they are broadcasting Capriles non-stop. I think I read somewhere that the employees are working without pay.

The government is trying desperately to finalize the buying of the company. I hope not, it's the only station keeping the Venezuelan opposition alongside Venezuelan expats (through live streams) informed.

The government already finalized (or are close to anyway last time I checked) the acquiring of several major but anti-government newspapers over the past few days.

 

[luiz]

Ok, so now we're descending into this? It's irrelevant. RT has explained good enough I think to not suspect him of being a raging anti-semite.

Also if Capriles continues to demand a recount, I don't see what he has to lose. Obrador did it in 2006, everyone thought he was nutso and he then proceeds to win about the same amount in 2012. I think the Chavistas need a scare if there were widespread irregularities, you can't build a popular movement without the trust of the people.

I don't think he explained it at all. To be sure, I don't think he's an anti-semite, but he is indeed parroting an anti-semite.

As for what Capriles has to lose, how about his liberty? Or maybe even his life.

No. No, it doesn't. Henrique Capriles Radonski. I said it. I am also not a Chavista. In fact, I have not taken a position on a recount. And I will not.

In Spanish everyone is known by their first surname, which is the father's family names. Capriles is known locally and internationally as Capriles. Chávez and Maduro called him Radonsky because supposedely that makes him "un-Venezuelan". He's the Gay Jew, while Maduro is the macho hero with a trusted Spanish last name.

Standard right-wing fallback. Accuse people of anti-Semitism when all else fails (but never sexism, racism or homophobia, there's nothing wrong with that.)

All else fails? The Venezuelan government has descended into outright brutality. Only a guy who defends Stalin and Kim Jong Il can still endorse them with a straight face.

Also, we (the evil right-wingers who refuse to see the glory of the revolution) have indeed complained about Maduro's homophobia. And how is antisemitism not a form of racism? Oh, and Maduro is quite sexist too (goes hand in hand with his homophobia).

 

[ReindeerThistle]

I don't think he explained it at all. To be sure, I don't think he's an anti-semite, but he is indeed parroting an anti-semite.
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In Spanish everyone is known by their first surname, which is the father's family names. Capriles is known locally and internationally as Capriles. Chávez and Maduro called him Radonsky because supposedely that makes him "un-Venezuelan". He's the Gay Jew, while Maduro is the macho hero with a trusted Spanish last name.

Perhaps you missed this post:

Lol I haven't noticed this because my other side is Polish and my family and the whole Polish community regularly calls him Radonski.

But you are probably right. When Chavez smeared him for being descendent from Jews, he used Radonski.

So, since I am not a Chavista, and I am not a Pole, I am not an anti-semite and if you read my other posts I am not a homophobe, I am not sexist -- FYI, my organization's leadership is 2/3rds female -- and I am not racist, will all of you PLEASE find a more suitable derogatory term for me? This is getting tiresome. How about The Red Apologist? Jeez, even other commies come up with better names.

@luiz, where have you seen me defending Kim Jong Il?

 

[TheLastOne36]

You should re-read that post.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Are you saying I'm a Pole? Thank you. BTW I don't have to re-read the post, I quoted it.

 

[luiz]

Perhaps you missed this post:


So, since I am not a Chavista, and I am not a Pole, I am not an anti-semite and if you read my other posts I am not a homophobe, I am not sexist -- FYI, my organization's leadership is 2/3rds female -- and I am not racist, will all of you PLEASE find a more suitable derogatory term for me? This is getting tiresome. How about The Red Apologist? Jeez, even other commies come up with better names.

@luiz, where have you seen me defending Kim Jong Il?

TLO was saying that that the polish community called him Radonsky because it's a polish name. That makes sense, as would an indonesian call Obama by the name Hussein, which is indonesian. But why would you call him Radonsky, if you're not a pole nor an antisemite? Have you ever heard anyone refere to Bill Clinton as President Jefferson, or to Bush as President Walker? If anyone did, I suppose they would be trying to make a point. Maduro's point is that Capriles is a Jew. What is yours?

And I have seen you defend NK many times. And it's funny that you don't dispute dending Stalin, who was even worse than KJI.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Kim Jong Il is dead. Please read my posts. Use Babelfish if you need help with the English. I am clear on my position on NK. Also, since LastOne has made me an honorary Pole, I can call him what I want. After all, Frias or Ruz were never so hung up on names, Frias called Walker a "Donkey," and all of us in the US thought it was funny.

Notice how by attacking me you guys have ignored the fact that Maduro said he was amenable to a vote audit?

Thanks for your posts, ziul.

 

[Bamspeedy]

since 2/3 of my group's leadership is Jewish

my organization's leadership is 2/3rds female

We might start figuring out which group this is, if you give us any more hints.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

We might start figuring out which group this is, if you give us any more hints.

It's the National Organization of Women/ ACLU. (not really) But you can try googling.


EDIT: to save you time, go to This Website. Get to know us and love us.

 

[luiz]

So, since I am not a Chavista, and I am not a Pole, I am not an anti-semite and if you read my other posts I am not a homophobe, I am not sexist -- FYI, my organization's leadership is 2/3rds female -- and I am not racist, will all of you PLEASE find a more suitable derogatory term for me? This is getting tiresome. How about The Red Apologist? Jeez, even other commies come up with better names.

@luiz, where have you seen me defending Kim Jong Il?

You still have not answered why you were calling him Radonsky. Just say you were parroting Maduro, and be advised that Maduro uses it as not-so-subtle way of pointing out that Capriles is a Jew.

And you have defended the North Korean government repeatedly, which, given how young is the new monarch/dictator, means defending Kim Jong Il. Which as I said is no big deal for an unashamed apologist of Stalin, a far bigger criminal.

 

[Antilogic]

Again, anyone even slightly familiar with Latin American history knows that many elections were rigged here with just a few thousand "extra" votes. Latin America isn't NK or Saddam's Iraq, but that doesn't mean fraud never happens.

Again, education. It's no particular to shame to be ignorant of a subject, but it is to try to be witty while having no clue.

You know, I hear folks like Sarah Palin and Jack Welch claiming catastrophic consequences of lefties running countries, they are evil socialists, everyone is opposed to them, and The Real Majority supports The Right Guys but the lefty cheaters keep winning elections somehow, maybe by cooking the books, yet I don't take them seriously either. You don't sound any different to me.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

You still have not answered why you were calling him Radonsky. Just say you were parroting Maduro, and be advised that Maduro uses it as not-so-subtle way of pointing out that Capriles is a Jew.

I honestly did not know that Maduro and Chavez called him "Radonsky," but since it makes your blood boil, I will continue.

But, BTW "Hussein" is not Indonesian it is Arabic. Read This Death by 1000 Papercuts article. "Hussein" means "Handsome." But say whatever you want about Obama.

And you have defended the North Korean government repeatedly, which, given how young is the new monarch/dictator, means defending Kim Jong Il. Which as I said is no big deal for an unashamed apologist of Stalin, a far bigger criminal.

The Korean line is not my line, as I have repeated. My posts have been criticizing US policy towards North Korea, and a few posts about the ability of the US to engage in another war on the Peninsula.

Case in point, is my most vehement defense of North Korea:

So, what should be done?

Good question. Let the Koreans decide the fate of the peninsula. US should stop provoking with military exercises and North Korea should listen to China and stop making threats to use nukes to defend itself.

Is there really any other solution? I would like to hear it.

Clear that up now, luzi?

You know, I hear folks like Sarah Palin and Jack Welch claiming catastrophic consequences of lefties running countries, they are evil socialists, everyone is opposed to them, and The Real Majority supports The Right Guys but the lefty cheaters keep winning elections somehow, maybe by cooking the books, yet I don't take them seriously either. You don't sound any different to me.

QFT.

Incidentally, for those who want to know, IF Henrique Capriles Radonsky had won the election, my opening post would have read the same, just change the names. I was applauding the process, which is clearly one of the fairest in the world -- are we so far out of the 2000 US election to remember that that election was decided by the US Supreme Court?

 

[Patroklos]

Perhaps you missed this post:


So, since I am not a Chavista, and I am not a Pole, I am not an anti-semite and if you read my other posts I am not a homophobe, I am not sexist -- FYI, my organization's leadership is 2/3rds female -- and I am not racist, will all of you PLEASE find a more suitable derogatory term for me? This is getting tiresome. How about The Red Apologist? Jeez, even other commies come up with better names.

@luiz, where have you seen me defending Kim Jong Il?

We don't give a crap about your irrelevant student whine circle. You can stop name dropping it, it doesn't lend anything to your position.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

@Patroklos: I am not a student. I am not the one whining. I am a 45 year-old building trades professional/ professional revolutionary in the US of A. I do not use nor do I advocate violence to achieve my end.

Thanks for staying on topic with the "Pick on the Buckeye Bolshevik" sub-thread. While you are all attacking me, Maduro is still at Miraflores.

 

[luiz]

You know, I hear folks like Sarah Palin and Jack Welch claiming catastrophic consequences of lefties running countries, they are evil socialists, everyone is opposed to them, and The Real Majority supports The Right Guys but the lefty cheaters keep winning elections somehow, maybe by cooking the books, yet I don't take them seriously either. You don't sound any different to me.

And you sound very similar the ignorant first worlders with no idea about Latin America who think reality is just like a Oliver Stone movie.

As for catastrophes of allowing "leftists" to run a country... well, if they are rational, moderate leftists nothing out of of the ordinary will happen.

But if you allow thuggish brutes like Maduro and co. to rule a country, catastrophe will happen, regardless if they call themselves leftists or rightists. As I said, IMO it's quite clear that Maduro is closer to Franco or Pinochet than to a Scandinavian PM, but the fact that he waves red flags is enough to make him a good guy in the opinion of people like RT, a Stalinist.

You are on the same camp as a Stalinist.

 

[Antilogic]

And you sound very similar the ignorant first worlders with no idea about Latin America who think reality is just like a Oliver Stone movie.

As for catastrophes of allowing "leftists" to run a country... well, if they are rational, moderate leftists nothing out of of the ordinary will happen.

But if you allow thuggish brutes like Maduro and co. to rule a country, catastrophe will happen, regardless if they call themselves leftists or rightists. As I said, IMO it's quite clear that Maduro is closer to Franco or Pinochet than to a Scandinavian PM, but the fact that he waves red flags is enough to make him a good guy in the opinion of people like RT, a Stalinist.

You are on the same camp as a Stalinist.

Sounds like I should actually watch this Oliver Stone movie you are referring to so I know what I supposedly believe.

By the way, guilt by association is another common tactic that I forgot to mention in my prior post. Way to go, son, you don't disappoint!

 

[innonimatu]

How convenient... Even on automated voting systems, there's got to be some sort of "paper ballot" in order to backup the results. Any kind of evidence has been probably destroyed by now.

Then the election system in Venezuela is crappy and deserves no trust. Whether or not there were irregularities (and this seems much like that Bush election in the US) automated election system are bad. But that should be fought before elections, not after them. Throw away all such systems, anywhere in the world. The problem is that the election, and many other elections with the same system, has already been carried out, and now they have this situation where...

As for what Capriles has to lose, how about his liberty? Or maybe even his life.

He's making claims that if taken seriously may incite a civil war in what is now a very divided country. It that disgrace befalls Venezuela, then all I'm going to say it that it would be nice if it weren't just the usual peons dying.

I have yet to see hard evidence of electoral fraud. All this noise is about claims of electoral fraud. That in some places one of the candidates has many more votes than the other is not strange in a country very divided across class/wealth lines. That the voting system is crappy was known and accepted by the contenders before the elections.

Given the stakes in Venezuela now, making such claims of fraud had better come with iron-clad evidence.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Innonimatu, you must've missed the major press conference yesterday where Capriles brought binders full of evidence of fraud.

Given how close the elections were and the evidence of fraud, I think it is very democratic to allow for a recount.

 

[Antilogic]

Are there any links to the actual text of Capriles' claims and what is in those binders?