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Nobility Managment Thread

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game III: RPG' started by Padma, May 1, 2003.

  1. Padma

    Padma the Absent Admin Administrator Supporter

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    This is the official thread for tracking Royal/Noble/Gentle titles. The second post in this thread will track the individual titles. The third post will track the Royal/Noble houses.

    This will also include a pointer to the nobility ruleset when that is finished.

    Here is my current list of titles:
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    Title male (female)           Class
    
    "Despot"                      Royalty
    King (Queen)                  Royalty
    Prince (Princess)             Royalty
    Archduke (Duchess)            Royalty
    
    High Lord (Lady)              High Noble
    Lord (Lady)                   High Noble
    Duke (Duchess)                High Noble
    
    Marquis/Margrave (Marquessa)  Noble
    Earl/Count (Contessa)         Noble
    Viscount (Viscountess)        Noble
    Baron (Baroness)              Noble
    
    Baronet                       Gentry (civ)
    Knight                        Gentry (mil)
    Squire                        Gentry (mil)
     
  2. Padma

    Padma the Absent Admin Administrator Supporter

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    Royalty
    Diutius Lifespanius , Despot (Emperor)
    Tasius, "Prince" (Son of Atrous)
    Caia Lifespanius Helena, Queen of Gorina
    Praeditus Lifespanius Maximus, Prince
    Diutia Lifespanius Bellona, Proincess
    Schola Lifespanius, Prince
    Dexterius Lifespanius, Prince
    Draculus Roberts, Prince

    Nobility
    Marcus Lifespanius, Senior Centurion
    Ribeena Lifespanius, Lady
    Mellita Roberts, Lady
    Lauren, Contessa DiSaaMuel
    Honorius Peesea, Marquis
    Antonius DePaolo, Marquis
    Aurelia DePaolo, Marquessa

    Gentry
     
  3. Padma

    Padma the Absent Admin Administrator Supporter

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    The House of Atrous
    *Atrous "The Great"
    *Elenora, wife of Atrous
    Tasius, son of Atrous
    Helena. daughter of Atrous, wife of Diutius Lifespanius

    The House of DePaolo
    *Anthony
    *Nicole, wife of Anthony
    Antonius, "The Great", son of Anthony
    Aurelia, wife of Antonius
    Antony
    Achilles

    The House of Taurnaina
    *Perianoldo, father of Nambanoldo
    *Nambanoldo, father of Poldohtar
    Poldohtar, current head of the family
    Maltatari, wife of Poldohtar
    Laitatan, son of Poldohtar

    The House of Lifespanius
    *Briefus
    *Katra, wife of Briefus
    Diutius, son of Briefus
    Marcus, son of Briefus
    Ribeena, wife of Marcus
    Mellita, daughter of Briefus, Wife of Walter Roberts
    Praeditus Maximus, son of Diutus
    Diutia Bellona, daughter of Diutus
    Schola, son of Marcus
    Dexterius, son of Marcus

    The House of Peesea
    *Stuk Aza
    Honorius, son of Aza
    *Quintus, son of Aza
    Agrippina, daughter of Aza

    The House of Decimus
    *Marcus
    *Nirvana, wife of Marcus
    *Romana, daughter of Marcus
    Sentana, daughter of Romana (illegitimate, by Caesarus)

    The House of DiSaaMuel
    *SaaMuel
    *Jenna, wife of SaaMuel
    *Jacqueline
    *Bob
    Lauren, daughter of SaaMuel
    *Brian, son of Lauren
    Katherine, daughter of Brian
    *Walter Roberts, adopted son of Lauren
    *Petrhucio "Pete", son of Walter
    Draculus Roberts, son of Walter


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    * = Deceased
     
  4. Padma

    Padma the Absent Admin Administrator Supporter

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  5. Padma

    Padma the Absent Admin Administrator Supporter

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    A question about the nobility ruleset:

    Will the holders of office in the main DG be allowed to have one of their characters assume that "title"? In DG2, the player who held a DG office was given an automatic title in the Peerage.

    My personal preference would be to not do this, as our RPG characters have little real relationship with our primary DG roles. This would also seem consistent with the way this game has started, with us being able to overthrow "the Despot" in the RPG, while having no connection to who the elected "President" is in the main DG.
     
  6. Shaitan

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    I'd say no. Just as the Pres of the demogame is not the despot in the RPG. Same with the other offices. Now a player could certainly make a character that achieved the same position, it just wouldn't be an automatic thing.
     
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    TNG Sad, sad little man

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    When there are nobles, if they give birth do all their offspring recieve the same title?
     
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    Padma, what about Aza and Antonius? They are co-despots, so wouldn'y they be royal?
     
  9. Shaitan

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    No. Lines of heredity would pass to the eldest son (eldest child for us since we have ladies and want to be fair). Other children were pretty much on their own but could generally get established using their noble connections. Note that even though they do not hold a title all children of nobles are noble themselves.
     
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    Plexus Architeuthidae puericomedentis

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    Co-despots? Hardly, they are advisors.


    Now, I'd like to make Aza and Antonius nobles.
     
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    Bootstoots Deity Retired Moderator

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    Aza: I adbicated our throne to Atrous, Antonius. We will regain the despotism upon his death.
     
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    @Padma - MY characters are listed as a Gentry, Most of them are on the Lower spectrum. Only one character is on the Upper Gentry (Noval Gontsky), but it will soon be passed down to his son.

    How can I get my characters on the "Gentry" list. (I know the Despot at this point would only have the authority of giving nobilities)
     
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    Padma: should we also maintain the dead ranked characters in your list? or at least the nobles?
    if yes then please add Elenora to the royal list as died in 3300BC
     
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    @CG: I try to keep up on the other threads, but I don't always have time to check everything. ;) It is very helpful for players to post changes to their status in this thread (with LINKS to the appropriate post!) so I can be sure to see them. The Character thread is not a good source for this, because of occasional misunderstandings of what is allowed, e.g., people have created "Noble" and "Royal" characters, even though we explicitly said not to.

    Also, as Nobility Manager, IMO no one is higher than "unlanded" Lower Gentry at this point, unless and until the Despot raises people to explicit positions.

    @dis: That sounds like a good idea, but I fear that as characters are born, live, and die, the length of the list might become unmanagable. I *will* keep track of deceased characters off-line, until I figure out the best way to handle them.
     
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    @padma: use a textfile as soon as the post gets too big.
    you could maybe maintain a "royal genealogy" in text or graphical files...
    or maybe... just use the bloodlines! make one file for each bloodline which hold the characters with birth death and relations between each other (note that "external" links to other lines are possible!). then only post the name of the "bloodline" (for example at the moment, it would be the "d'Atrou bloodline") with a link to the list of characters :)
     
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    here is an example genealogy sheet for the d'Atrou bloodline...
    (just to get an idea)
    you could of course use standard genealogical programs and graphics to do it :)

    deputy despot is btw imho not a valid title for a noble... not even a valid function... advisors, grand visir, baron, count, etc. would be ok, but not "deputy despot".
     

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    Yes, dis, I am thinking about using a geneology program to maintain a "Famliy Tree" (or "trees") for our Noble Lines. It would help simplify tracing family ties down the ages. ;)
    :lol: I know, but I wanted to add Aza and Antonius to the Nobility list, and couldn't think of anything to call them! :lol:
     
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    Atrous should define their rank. He must state it ;-)
     
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    He did. We are Nobles.
    Can I create a family house? Like DeAntonius?
     
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    Atrous did refer to them as being "Nobles", so I have included them under the "Nobles" table. But without any further specific titles, I am leaving them as just "Advisors". In any case, they are unlanded Nobles.

    And yes, Civanator, as Nobles, you may create family houses.
     

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