Spoiler T64-T106 : I start by gifting marble to Pacal. The only thing he can use it for is to build ToAR. And I wouldn't mind if me build a couple of nice wonders tbh. I don't use it, and it can help get him to friendly quicker. My workboat is continuing it's journey, and it seems Pacal are having a party for the barbarians! Glad that they move to him and not to me! Oh oh! They are comming for me again as well! The western side of this continent must be really huge. Finally Pacal is starting to send some happines up my way! A couple of turns later I revolt: Workboat finds something interesting, an workable ocean tile that is not reachable my my land. This indicates an other landmass. Is this the way toward the other AIs? I have OB and sailing. I can trade resources but I don't get traderoutes. Whats up with this? O_o If I try to initiate new trades I see "No avilable traderoutes" and next turn I lose my resource trades. Perhaps a barb city spawned? Pacal changes civics to HR and Vassalage at T83. Oh, so he has gone for feudalism before Alfabet? Thanks alot! >_< When I cave in and start to self-tech alfabet, he goes there too. PLEASE! Alright, T90 and I finally get something out of my precious MC. Worth it going for oracle? NO. GArtist in a far away land. Probably the music one. Also a great general! Nice nice!