Nobles' Club 283: Catherine of Russia
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Mr_Trotsky
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Thats how I understand vassals too.
If the player has vassals, the AIs will change their attitude toward the player, taking into account what they think of the players vassals too.
If the AI has some other AIs as vassals, they don't play any role in what the master AI think of the player.
If the player has vassals, the AIs will change their attitude toward the player, taking into account what they think of the players vassals too.
If the AI has some other AIs as vassals, they don't play any role in what the master AI think of the player.
. I guess the AI value the opinion of their vassals about as much as the average player does, than.Mr_Trotsky
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@Mr_Trotsky
I think your strategy makes sense. It's a question of how much you are willing to gamble and what preferances you have.
I would most likely have gone for rifling and accepted 5-10 turns later victory date, but with a keen eye on diplo and pulling the kinds of tricks you did (begging, bribing etc) it's likely just like you say, low probability but high impact.
Comparable to starting with Shaka close by in the early game. The case could be made for going archery early on and build/whip 4-6 archers just to be sure you won't die, but the case can also be made that the risk is too minor and that it is detrimental to the game.
Last game of the month, I went for a bunch of early archers and also masonry mainly for walls, even though that set my deveopment back alot, but with those games that come only once a month or fewer still, not dying to a random early war declaration feels important to me.
This game with cathy and the other recent NC game with Mehmed, I certainly did not go archery early on.
I think your strategy makes sense. It's a question of how much you are willing to gamble and what preferances you have.
I would most likely have gone for rifling and accepted 5-10 turns later victory date, but with a keen eye on diplo and pulling the kinds of tricks you did (begging, bribing etc) it's likely just like you say, low probability but high impact.
Comparable to starting with Shaka close by in the early game. The case could be made for going archery early on and build/whip 4-6 archers just to be sure you won't die, but the case can also be made that the risk is too minor and that it is detrimental to the game.
Last game of the month, I went for a bunch of early archers and also masonry mainly for walls, even though that set my deveopment back alot, but with those games that come only once a month or fewer still, not dying to a random early war declaration feels important to me.
This game with cathy and the other recent NC game with Mehmed, I certainly did not go archery early on.
Fabled
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I had what felt like a really strong start but it fell to pieces after the classical era. Most of my games tend to do that, come to think of it. I've forgotten how to close out a win on emperor 
I would appreciate feedback and critique. I've been away from the game for several years, and clearly I've forgotten something about winning on emperor difficulty. I consistently come out of the classical era with a successful war or two, and thus a lead in land and cities, but behind about half an era in tech. I then get knocked out of the game by an attack from multiple AIs about the time they hit rifles, which is usually when I'm just getting gunpowder and cuirassiers online. I feel like my worker and city micro is reasonable, especially for the first 100 turns, but I don't have a clear focus to help me transition out of classical-era warmongering.
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I would appreciate feedback and critique. I've been away from the game for several years, and clearly I've forgotten something about winning on emperor difficulty. I consistently come out of the classical era with a successful war or two, and thus a lead in land and cities, but behind about half an era in tech. I then get knocked out of the game by an attack from multiple AIs about the time they hit rifles, which is usually when I'm just getting gunpowder and cuirassiers online. I feel like my worker and city micro is reasonable, especially for the first 100 turns, but I don't have a clear focus to help me transition out of classical-era warmongering.
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@krikav
Agree with you about CRE library. After Currency, CRE libraries are worth building in many cities, because foreigh TR give each city at least 4~6
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But generally speaking, apart from library, what building should be built? Forge and HE in the military city? Maybe some AP religion buildings? National Epic in a high food city?... Often confused about that
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Do you think theatre is worth building in some cities? It's not for border pop, mainly for dealing with war wearness. Sometimes an AI build Statue of Zeus, and the war wearness is already soaring after the player only captures one or two cities. So I wonder if building some theatres before the war starts would help controling war wearness.
The Lizzy NC you suggested looks like a fun map - I might play it later (currently busy with other games).
@Fabled
There is @ krikav (someone much more competent than me) who has already given you a lot of useful advice
Certainly you've learnt many things which would help you in your next games
Agree with you about CRE library. After Currency, CRE libraries are worth building in many cities, because foreigh TR give each city at least 4~6
. But generally speaking, apart from library, what building should be built? Forge and HE in the military city? Maybe some AP religion buildings? National Epic in a high food city?... Often confused about that
.Do you think theatre is worth building in some cities? It's not for border pop, mainly for dealing with war wearness. Sometimes an AI build Statue of Zeus, and the war wearness is already soaring after the player only captures one or two cities. So I wonder if building some theatres before the war starts would help controling war wearness.
The Lizzy NC you suggested looks like a fun map - I might play it later (currently busy with other games).
@Fabled
There is @ krikav (someone much more competent than me) who has already given you a lot of useful advice
Certainly you've learnt many things which would help you in your next games I tend to build quite a few theatres (and in large cities often colosseums too). But if they are sensible or not probably depends alot on both playstyle and what map it is.
But with creative they are both half priced so they are a bargain.
In large cities once you have war weariness, draft and whip anger and emancipation anger every little bit helps!
Someone asked me why I had so many farms, and I might go abit low with cottages in many games, and the above is a reason for that, if you have many cottages the price for the culture-slider happines is much higher than if you build your economy more on farms+specialists and hammers.
But with creative they are both half priced so they are a bargain.
In large cities once you have war weariness, draft and whip anger and emancipation anger every little bit helps!
Someone asked me why I had so many farms, and I might go abit low with cottages in many games, and the above is a reason for that, if you have many cottages the price for the culture-slider happines is much higher than if you build your economy more on farms+specialists and hammers.
AcaMetis
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What you should build in a city depends largely on what a city needs and what direction you expect the game to go. Are you going to run over the entire map with cuirs? Than Observatories aren't too useful, and AP buildings can be risky depending on whether you have to defy any "stop the war!" resolutions. But Forges for better whipping and Barracks for +3 unit xp are both very good, and if you're lacking happiness/expecting to stack war weariness a Theatre or Colosseum (especially cheap CRE ones) can be worthwhile. If you're going for Space instead than Observatories are mandatory (later required for labs, even if they didn't boost beaker output), AP buildings are less at risk of losing their bonus, and while Forges can be nice for getting up infrastructure faster (especially Factories/Coal Plants, in fact I believe a Factory requires a Forge?) a Barracks won't do anything for you. Theatres? Well, if you're not swimming in happiness as is they could be worthwhile, although you can expect to lose some population once you've got power up and running, so might not be worth it if it's only a short-term investment. Than again maybe you're EXP and have tons of spare health sitting around, or you're expecting to beeline Biology, or you're CRE and they're dirt cheat, etc. Lots of situational things to consider.
I tend to build granaries everywhere and forges in every city which whips regularly or has some production. After that it gets highly situational. Courthouses haven't been mentioned. I tend to build them in cities with 8+ gpt maintenance cost if nothing more important is going on (eg. war preparation). Preferably, after forges and with Organized Religion.
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@krikav
So, sometimes theatres and colosseums are worth building in large cities
. Apart from dealing with war wearness, it also helps reducing drafting anger or emancipation.
Ah, I see why you value farms. You're right, the culture slider mainly affects from CE, but 
or 
from hammers are immune to the culture slider. I didn't pay attention to that. Thanks for pointing that out!
@AcaMetis
Yes, the need of some buildings varies with game/map/victory path. Like you said, Observatory and Labs are often needed in a Space game, but when people are ready to conquer the whole Pangaea map with Cuirs/Cavs, they even don't bother to research Astronomy. Unlike Granary that we almost build everywhere, some other buildings (forge, university, theatre, ...) are really situational. And it's the "situational side" which makes the noobs like me confused
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@civac
CHs combined with OR and slavery looks good. Sometimes I build CHs as well, to avoid strike; chopping + 2 pop whipping under OR are usually enough for a CH.
So, sometimes theatres and colosseums are worth building in large cities
. Apart from dealing with war wearness, it also helps reducing drafting anger or emancipation. Ah, I see why you value farms. You're right, the culture slider mainly affects
from CE, but or from hammers are immune to the culture slider. I didn't pay attention to that. Thanks for pointing that out! @AcaMetis
Yes, the need of some buildings varies with game/map/victory path. Like you said, Observatory and Labs are often needed in a Space game, but when people are ready to conquer the whole Pangaea map with Cuirs/Cavs, they even don't bother to research Astronomy. Unlike Granary that we almost build everywhere, some other buildings (forge, university, theatre, ...) are really situational. And it's the "situational side" which makes the noobs like me confused
. @civac
CHs combined with OR and slavery looks good. Sometimes I build CHs as well, to avoid strike; chopping + 2 pop whipping under OR are usually enough for a CH.
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