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Nobles' Club Bullpen: Fourth Cycle

Nobles' Club Bullpen: Fourth Cycle

  1. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    People just want a fun game without silly settings. It's very unlikely the Germans will ever get to use their UU or UB.

    You could set a challenge. Most wonders built in capital mixed with conquest or space? With a condition that the capital must reach 100k culture? This would allow him to use his UU.
     
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  2. Tobiyogi

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    we talk about seperate ideas, I have in mind a regular Bismarck game with standard settings and @elementoffear was considering OCC or LHC
     
  3. Tobiyogi

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    And for OCC, I also believe that it would be nice to pick a leader with a UU/UB that will have an actual use (besides good leader traits). So rather Ramsees than Gandhi, maybe even Wang Kon or someone with extra health like Persians.
     
  4. elementoffear

    elementoffear Warlord

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    I mentioned OCC because I think its a pretty cool way to learn how to use wonders and forces you to know your place and think more about foreign relations.

    And LHC...well, because sometimes you just want to build quietly :)
     
  5. Tobiyogi

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    The Hannibal game has been downloaded 37x, that probably means it is big time for a new challenge. I have that Bismarck thing under construction and could get it out towards the week-end. How is your progress going @elementoffear? We should probably just define who will be next.
     
  6. elementoffear

    elementoffear Warlord

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    Actually since the Hannibal game link was not posted on this thread I almost missed it, but luckily found it in the airport before boarding so had something to do on the plane. @All , When posting games don't forget to put a post here because this is where people get their alerts from, (Also why I think its better to remain in this thread and not open up a new bullpen ).

    @Tobiyogi If you have the Bismarck thing ready please post , I can prepare the next one , whomever the thread decides.
     
  7. AcaMetis

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    I didn't post the link because I was assuming someone would start a fifth cycle bullpen topic. But, either in case we keep this topic or just for future reference I suppose: NC 212: Hannibal
     
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  8. Tobiyogi

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    When my game is ready, I will post it here, probably on Thursday. If someone feels the urge to create a new bullpen, we can also switch to that new one, I don't think someone will miss it when the new link will be announced here.
     
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  9. Imploding

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    Yeah! a fun game! The NC series is a great way to play and compare with others on all levels. Must say its a really good concept for the forum and engaging new and old players!

    BTW by a fun game I mean a map with possibilities to use the UU, UB, or traits in a good way!

    Looking forward to Bismarck game and thanks for the effort!
     
  10. Tobiyogi

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    So here it comes, NC 213 Bismarck.
    Historical introduction and a bunch of quests if you want to play that kind of game. Please tell me if savegames should not work properly.
     
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  11. cripp7

    cripp7 Playin' Bored

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    I actually just uploaded a new OCC scenario which is a really fun map. Go for domination or space, it's an always war playing Augustus Caesar of Japan. Once you get the samurais it's hard to be beat. Check it out, I'm going to be doing the shadow game here soon.
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/occ-always-war.27798/
     
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  12. Tobiyogi

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    I've been playing around on Immortal, it's a great scenario. Maybe the only way you can succeed with OCC against all these warmongers.

    Spoiler :
    I built all the specialist wonders like Pyras, Parthenon, GLB, plus Great Wall for more settled Generals, Oracle for CoL and my own religion. Lib was easy as well, the land is simply too good. I had one Samurai on the Hill who literally took every single fight, he had something like incredible 250 EXP points and every possible promotion. When I got bored, I was moving out with maybe 20 units, I thought I could raze some cities, but no way, big mistake! Especially Shaka is holding back huge stacks and all my units got crushed in no time. The only way is too defend on that hill and they will never get you. Even Cuirs or Cavs will have hard time outside, because Shaka and Boudica bring a lot of Elephants.


    I am thinking about a similar scenario with a position that is a bit harder to defend. Really like that scenario. :goodjob:
     
  13. AcaMetis

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    Any objections to me putting up the next NC map with Catherine? I've got one that should be a fun rumble.
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    Possibly on the higher end of difficulty for Deity, but within reason. For Deity. I've learned from NC 212, rest assured :).


    EDIT: No objections after a day and a half, so...enjoy Nobles' Club 214 with Catherine of Russia. I hope :undecide:.
     
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  14. Tobiyogi

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    I was thinking about another historical challenge and I really like those American leaders. What about a Lincoln game where you literally have to abolish slavery? Something like the first time you switch out of slavery (probably into caste), you can never go back. Also you should pay 2 other civs to do the same move. Map would be very standard, one unusual setting is enough. But please go ahead, if someone has a more conventional map to offer. I would save that Lincoln game for later. It would certainly turn upside down good old routines, but Lincoln is maybe one of the best leaders to survive that strategy. He can grow the cities bigger and it pays off to run more specialists (so whipping becomes less attractive).
     
  15. AcaMetis

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    It's an idea, but I'd honestly prefer to see such a challenge with Wang Kong. Not that Lincoln isn't much better at it, traits wise, but playing Lincoln in character will just put neon signs on the fact that the Emancipation civic is useless. Also, I think it might be useful to keep track of which leaders have been used since the start of the fifth cycle, to make sure that traits aren't repeated to often. So far there's been Hannibal (FIN/CHA), Bismarck (IND/EXP) and Catherine (CRE/IMP), leaving AGG, ORG, PRO, PHI and SPI.

    As for maps, truthfully I was looking to possibly roll a new map for Lain, and obviously NC maps and Lain maps have different standards. But AGG/PRO is available, and I mean, a Deity map with Toku is a Deity map with Toku. Maybe a Rocky Inland Sea (many barbs, so AGG shines) with some less than friendly AIs (PRO shines, in theory)? I'll give it a shot. And yes, I'll make sure the map isn't too hard for a NC map. And if that means it's too easy for Lain, oh well, so be it.
     
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    I see, no single trait should be repeated too soon, so Lincoln would be Cha like Hannibal. Like I said, I would save that for later. Why do you want to see Wang on that challenge? Just because he loves Caste? It's true, there is no real alternative to Slavery, but when you're PHI or go for Culture, than permanent caste isn't too bad.
    Btw, I don't think you will lure Lain into a Toku game, he has already played him on Video. On the other hand, I don't remember playing him Hammurabi (AGG, ORG)....
     
  17. AcaMetis

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    Because Wang's favorite civic is Caste, yes. In fact he's the only AI in the game to favor a non-Emancipation Labor civic.

    Huh, so he hasn't. Just as well, perhaps, this Toku map idea is not working out. I don't know what it is, but Inland Sea on a Rocky climate seems to be just covered in gems, gold, silver, beavers and floodplains. Also hard to justify starting with Fishing on an Inland Sea map. Not that I didn't get a map with quintuple seafood in the capitol, mind, but that same map had a Wheat tile forever imprisoned by a wall of Mountains on the other side of the quintuple seafood. The RNG's left arm giveth, and the RNG's right arm taketh away. The player no doubt wonders what the RNG is smoking :smoke:. In any case I'll mention it if I manage to pull a map.

    EDIT: So I just rolled a Hammy map that honestly looks promising. More promising than the Toku ones did at any rate. Not sure if Lain would find it interesting, but it also shouldn't be too hard for a NC map...if you play intelligently. Any objections to me posting it as NC 215?
     
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  18. Tobiyogi

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    Oh wow, I didn't check Lincolns favorite civic yet, but Emancipation is just pure logic if you see the historical person. Overall, there is only a few leaders who prefer a civic from that chapter.
    And I still believe that his traits make it doable to play without slavery.
    Just go ahead with your map. But beware of the fact that Lain has just started a new game on YT.
    Btw, I love rocky maps with lots of Sheep, Fur, Silver, etc... Especially with an Inland sea. One reason, I play at max on Immortal, because here you can allow to indulge in simply beautiful landscapes without being afraid of not having enough food and enough grassland river cottage tiles.
     
  19. AcaMetis

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    IIRC Lincoln and Wang Kong are the only leaders who have a favorite Labor civic. And I agree that Lincoln is the better leader to do a no (or minimum) slavery run, but truly abolishing it would mean forcing Emancipation via UN. Very in character for Lincoln, I believe, but in terms of Civ IV it just highlights how awful Emancipation is as a civic. Come to think of it, maybe Monty can do a challenge where you stay in Slavery all game? It really should be his favorite civic, and such a challenge would demonstrate that Slavery is useful, but not the only Labor civic worth running.

    Alright on posting the map, and I'm not worried that Lain just started a new game. It's a reasonably challenging map on Deity, but there's a more difficult variation of it in his topic already.
    Spoiler :
    A much, much harder variation indeed...


    EDIT: Nobles' Club 215: Hammurabi of Babylon is up:king:.
     
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  20. Tobiyogi

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    Well, becoming UN Secretary-General and abolishing slavery once for all could be the final step. Tough enough to be even elected because with Bug/Bull Lincoln has heavy negative modifiers with quite a few folks from the start. I seriously think about gifting the human player Democracy via WB save. So at least, once you have left slavery, you can grow your cottages faster and maybe make some use of prod-rushing with gold. Should be a rather small compensation for the loss of slavery, but at least something. And I would make sure that also the peripheric potential cities have enough forests to chop to make the basic build-up even possible. Plans for later.... I imagine other players also want to roll a map or two :)
     

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