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Nobles' Club LXXXVIII: Suryavarman II of the Khmer

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by dalamb, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. AbsoluteZero

    AbsoluteZero Deity

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  2. georgel123

    georgel123 Chieftain

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    This is the first time I am doing a Noble's Club game!

    I played this with no huts, no random events, Noble and on Marathon.
    This is also my first time playing a Standard Map, usually I play Small.

    4000 BC

    No reason not to settle in place, all the resources can be used well. Good source of food from wheat. Stone will make the Pyramids easier.

    1000 BC
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    Yuck, pangea map. Some love it, but I've always preferred Continents, with amphibious galleon/rifleman assaults. I meet 6 other AI's, though I watch out for Julius Caesar, since his praets can be a problem, and Elizabeth as well since her Redcoats would be devastating, if she got that far. I mini-REX to 4 cities, dropping my research 60% with a deficit. Tech path is BW, then Masonary, Agriculture, Wheel, and I work my way to Literature for the Great Library. I manage to pop a Great Engineer, and I use it to rush the Great Library. Already a few specialists with Rep running, allowing me to tech decently.
    A shot of the Capital, my Super Science City. GP Farm as well as Oxford later.
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    Military Pump city:
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    Angkor Thom as another Science city:
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    And finally, my Commerce city. I prioritize markets, grocer and bank for this. Cottages!
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    500AD
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    Okay, time to expand. The world isn't big enough for me! Must invade a neighbour. Lincoln shall be the victim that is crippled. I eventually vassal him, and he never catches up. Capture Washington and New York. Both these cities will help with science. Running at 30% science, still teching well due to my specialists. Invasion was very simple, elepults, with UU.
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    New York falls easily as well:
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    1200 AD
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    Game is very simple and easy at this point. Running Rep, with Caste System. Slavery goodbye, you will be missed. Babylonia also decides to become my vassal state. A show of power, and military force is essential to the game. Early game is extremely important! It will define the rest of the game! Burger King on my south is REXing fast, and me, I am getting greedy at his land. His northern cities are placed well with resources.
    Invasion! Aachen, Vienna and another city is taken. Simple, with Maces, Catapults, and the UU.
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    Prague is taken.
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    He wants me to vassal, but I refuse, thinking that it would be bad for economy. Plus, he has almost nothing left, so I don't see a point. Later, he offers his empire promiscuously to the Romans and the English, switching between the two often.

    The Romans are advancing in score and territory rapidly. It poses a threat to our existence, with frequent demands of tribute.

    The Fall of Rome:
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    Satricum, Antium falls, crippling the glory of Rome.
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    Rome capitulates to me. Goody, his army will prove useful in future conquests. I win the race to Liberalism easily, took Nationalism for free tech. Researching Steel for my cannons. Proudly running at 0% science. Stupid maintenance.

    Our glorious empire:
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    1600AD
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    I plan to win the game with domination. I reached the population limit after the fall of Rome, but my land area need around 15% more. Meanwhile, the Hinduism/Buddhism tensions split the continents in a huge hatefest. Diplomacy playing on my part was poor, I just refused almost all tributes with my army to keep the peace. Cold War. My Free Religion wasn't doing too much anyhow either. By now, Burger King must have pissed off a lot of people. Elizabeth and Justinian both DoW on his tiny territory. I am invited to join, and I do so just to troll, but more importantly to get the last city on the landmass. Wars must have a goal. I get the city, leaving Burger King with nothing but a tiny city on a one plot island.:lol:
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    At this time, I switch back to slavery temporarily. I conquered way too many cities without building infrastructure. >300 turn library, university, was unacceptable. I move my capital to my commerce city, since I am running Bureaucracy. I whip bank, market, grocer, and capital quickly. At this point, I have already had several strikes due to my massive empire. In the other cities, I whip out Courthouses, along with the libraries and universities. I whip Oxford in my Super Science City, I was feeling a little impatient :sad: Would be better with Spiritual, but you can't get everything. Beelined to Rifling a very long time ago, and Steel is ready. I build (upgrade) my army into Rifles/Cannons.

    Funny she does not have Redcoats yet. Easy invasion!

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    After capturing two tundra/desert cities, she capitulates.
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    Domination!
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    Victory!
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    Conclusion:
    Keep up the military! Look at this graph.
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    Overall this game was simple, and easy. Ran a typical SE economy to keep techs afloat, with a cottaged Bureaucracy Capital with Bank, Grocer, Market for Wealth. I bulbed most of my Specialists, settling probably would be better, but we can discuss that later :rolleyes: Of all the civilizations in this game, only Justinian didn't get DoW'd by me. He was spared, with all the other Civilizations bearing the brunt. I considered attacking him over Elizabeth, but then I thought that her score and the possibility of Redcoats were too dangerous. The most difficult thing about this was probably the map size. This is the first time I tried playing Standard map, though I managed to overcome that with military :lol:

    So yes! This concludes my very first game for Nobles Club! I had a great time, looking forward for more in the future. Any tips and suggestions to help me improve is GREATLY appreciated :goodjob:
     
  3. Mylene

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    I lost this game on Deity, JC whooped me out :)
    Very nice play @AZ, super interesting to watch how your gifted lowbies result in huge stacks ;)
     
  4. dalamb

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    A very short segment to finish a 2nd war. Now I need to decide whether to continue warring and go for conquest soon (perhaps after a consolidation pause), tech a bit and go for a more modern conquest, or switch to my usual favourite, space.
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    Basically I just upgraded my swords to maces, started generating a few trebuchets, took Washington and one other city, then got Lincoln to capitulate. He'd have capitulated immediately after losing his capital, but taking one more city gave me a 2nd Great General so my HE city could churn out 5XP units without switching back to Theology. Conquest was easy, partly because Lincoln was fending off Rome to the south and I didn't have to face many of his troops. The only slightly tricky bit was bribing JC to take peace with America before I let Lincoln capitulate; I'm pretty sure I wasn't ready for the immediate war with Rome if I'd forgotten!

    I also started chopping infrastructure in Charlemagne's former cities, but haven't got to the Forbidden City yet, which I have to do soon to improve my economy. Slider is -4 gpt at 20% but I'm still tech'ing at a moderate rate because of science specialists in the capital.

    If I do go for conquest, the first target should probably be Rome since he's the biggest threat (not that much of a threat, though, I think); after that Justinian and Elizabeth should be easy.
    I'm not used to the etiquette of posting saves; should I also be putting up my usual screenshots of current status, or just leave it to those who are interested to download the save?
     
  5. BurN

    BurN Chieftain

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    I`m rather late in posting but the game took me quite some time to finish. :mischief:

    Deity/no huts/no events - 720AD.

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    Early tech path: Agri, wheel, AH, writing, pottery, Aest (backfill with trades).

    Since this is a pang map and charles is our good neighbour I didn`t expect to see many barbs. So I went with warrior defense and tried for a rex. I pretty much ignored the stone.

    2800BC: Hari @ corn/cow/gold.

    2240BC: Angkor Thom @ rice/cow/gold.

    1840BC: Angkor Wat @ banana/dye/gold (sharing with Thom).

    1640BC: Budhism spreads. Only Charles is Budhist but he`s not too happy with my rex so I switch. Lincoln is Hindu but he`s hated by everyone so I don`t mind running a different religion with him. JC is hindu as well but he`s not bordering me and he really dislikes Lincoln and not too happy with charles either.

    1520BC: Nagara @ clams/horse.

    1280BC: Teched Aest. I don`t have marble but since I skipped early BW and have all forrests remaining, I`ll chop TGL/NE in capital. Start partially researching Alph.

    1200BC: Trade Aest to Liz for Alph. Since nobody has Alph & Aest but me and Liz. It was easy to backfill on sailing/myst/poly/BW/IW.

    1040BC: Trade clams to Charles for gems.

    950BC: Isva @ crab/corn

    900BC: First GS from Hari, which was used for an academy in the capital.

    750BC: Teched literature. At this moment I had prechopped all the forrests in the capital. But since I didn`t have maths yet (nobody wanted to trade) and nobody else had Aest, I decided to just slow build it untill i could trade for maths. Or until Liz teched literature herself.

    650BC: Trade Aest to Charles for Maths and start chopping in cap.

    625BC: Trade horses to Hammy for marble! Saddly enough I already chopped some forrests. Anyway getting the marble was pretty sweet nonetheless. Also trade Aest to Hammy for monarchy which I had partially researched.

    575BC: Sell monotheism to JC for 70 gold. Also TGL in capital.

    525BC: Parthenon in Hari. I didn`t really plan on building it but since I had marble now I chopped a part of it. If I failed, it would`ve given me some nice gold anyway. Win/win.

    500BC: NE in capital and overview. Just finished researching currency.








    At this moment I wasn`t exactly sure were to go. I decided to sell lit to Hammy for his gold (obvious) and then just 3 turn col. I could 5 turn music but decided against it, I didn`t want to wait for them to trade Col as I want to bulb phil soon. Then I begged some gold from Charles, Justi & Liz who were pleased with me.

    Then I traded horses to Liz for 3gpt, deer to Charles for 4gpt, crab to JC for 6gpt.

    475BC: Currency/35gold to Charles for Calendar. Now I can finally work that banana at angkor wat. Yay~

    425BC: Teched Col & bulb phil & found Toaism. Then off to CS-Paper.

    175BC: Hammy ask me to convert to Judaism. Which totally sucks because I switched to Caste/Paci and I don`t have the religion in capital. I was reluctant to decline, he was at cautious but switching would sacrifice too much. Lost gpp, lost turns & there`s a risk charles would wheoohrn on me once I don`t share his religion.


    25AD: Double bulb education, self-tech compas, bulb lib. Pretty early lib with 960 gold I got in trades (mostly selling backwards crap to lincoln and Justi), begging and run possitive gold while researching.. so I`m in a strong position. As you can see I`m trying to get the forges/barracks up and running for a cur/cav war.

    Also I`m running GM`s in the capital so I can upgrade some HA`s to curs. After the GM it`ll be GS for a golden age to help me get the TajM built. (And after this GM`s only)





    I delayed Lib and start teching Nat.

    150AD: JC dows Lincoln and this is actually the first war in the game. Not good, I don`t want JC to become even bigger.

    200AD: Charles was in wheoohrn for quite awhile and I see him moving units to Lincoln. I thought this was a good opportunity to bribe JC into peace. So Charles would be stuck warring with the Americans while I build my army to conquer his lands. It was an expensive bribe though... paper/phil/compas/200gold/worldmap. Steep but imho worth it. It would be bad if JC vassals Lincoln... and it would be good if charles is stuck in his little war.


    225AD: I traded for music from Hammy and hbr from lincoln.

    250AD: Lib and pick MT. then off to gunpowder. Also... big surprise... charles dows Lincoln.

    300AD: GS for golden age, which allows me to 6 turn TajM.

    325AD: Justi dows Lincoln.

    450AD: TajM & golden age. Just building curs now.

    520AD: I Dow charles with a 18 curs stack. I have more but since we border kind of close, I opted to leave some for field defense. I`m attacking his east side as this is a short path to his capital and his best cities. Also his army should be west, at lincolns lands. It all fits together. :lol:

    540AD: Capture Nuremberg.

    580AD: I pressed on to Aachen since it was very lightly defended. Revolt with spies and capture it.

    600AD: Charles signs peace with Lincoln and I notice this. :lol:



    (If you don`t get it, his units are stuck because of closed borders with Lincoln.)


    620AD: First to economics = free GM. Also a vote from AP to assign Atlanta to Lincoln... uhm... NO! :lol:

    640AD: Steamrolling Charles, capture Prague & capture Ulm.

    680AD: I`m worried charles might vassal to JC, so before I take more cities, I bribe JC into dowing charles. Only costs me lib and he`ll add 80 gold, deal my man!
    Capture Vienna, which has the mids.

    700AD: Capture Mainz.
    720AD: Capture Augsburg. And that`s the last of Charly, except his awesome pop 1 deathtrap. Funny thing is JC can`t reach him either, so they`ll be at war for a long time. :rolleyes:

    Getting a bit tired atm, so I`ll continue the report later. A little overview:





    At this point I have 25 cuirassiers and still building them for another war. The obvious target would be Liz as she`s actually teching fairly quick with her colossus. :mad:
    Trading banking to Lincoln is also the obvious trade to do.


    :hatsoff: Turned out to be a pretty soft game.
     
  6. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Elizabeth is really the only last obstacle to competing with you in tech or actually winning, so I think she should go before she picks up rifles or something. She should be easy to take out right now though. Julius can be dealt with last after you cap everyone else... once you go for the final push you can just gift everyone techs and gang up on him.

    You should do both, but either is fine
     
  7. dalamb

    dalamb Chieftain

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    Won a domination victory in 1615 while heading for conquest:
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    I decided I had a big enough army with me just after Lincoln capitulated to go after Justinian; he capitulated after I took two cities -- a former American city I liberated back to Lincoln, and a Byzantine I gifted back to Justinian right away for the diplo benefit and so I didn't have to pay its maintenance costs. Liz required two cities (again, gifted back to avoid maintenance costs; Liz was "Pleased" even after having lost a war).

    That left Rome, which I was nervous about. I waited until I got Steel from Liberalism and upgraded the best of my catapults and trebs to cannons, at which point I figured I was ready. During the war I upgraded mounted units to cuirraseurs and cavalry, and most melee troops to riflemen. Julius was stubborn, though, and wouldn't capitulate even after I took six of his cities, including Rome. I was moving towards a 7th when Cumae came out of revolt and gave me the last few tiles for domination.


    Here's the end-of-game status:
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    Wonders:


    The tech situation:

    I have Steel, Rifling, and am working on Constitution.
    I was pleased I could finish this -- it has always been a problem for me. This was my best score after the far-too-easy Hammurabi game.
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