Nope! No dictator here! Nothing to see! Move along!

Actually I dont see anyone who fits that description having a second, never mind third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eight referendum on his rule. but you just dream whatever fantasy you like, facts clearly have no place in your POV anyway

Sure they do. Facts like a stacked congress that gives Hugo a rubber stamp on things like consolidating power. Or facts like the killing of political dissidents. Stifling of free speech. Imprisoning and expelling any one who dares to question him.

No dictator there.
 
Sure they do. Facts like a stacked congress that gives Hugo a rubber stamp on things like consolidating power.

Elected

Or facts like the killing of political dissidents.

Examples please
Stifling of free speech.

Examples please
Imprisoning and expelling any one who dares to question him.

Get a grip. He didnt even imprison everyone who took part in an illegal coup that nearly had him killed.
 
Fact is, if this guy was Kow-towing to the US like Columbia, Saudi, Pakistan or any of ther other dirty little political systems the US controls from afar, most people wouldnt have ever heard of him.

Few people would debate that the Saudi regieme is more brutal than anything in south America. Do you know off the top of your head who the King is? some will, no doubt. Far more know whose the leader of Venezuela. thats not because of his percieved "brutality" thats because he opposes America
 
ElectedYes he was then he stacked the rest of the government to give him what he wants like consolidating power.http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=145&a=2858 He can be "elected" for life, made more easy when he has his goons kill dissidents.



Examples please http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2551221.stm
The marches come one day after three people were killed and 29 injured when shots were fired at an opposition rally.

Examples pleaseSee there was this TV station and protests about it being closed down. That TV didn't do and say what Hugo wanted. Now its effectively gone. http://www.humanrightsfoundation.org/media/mediaShutdown.html


Get a grip. He didnt even imprison everyone who took part in an illegal coup that nearly had him killed.
What about the illegal coup he failed at? And how exactly does that matter. Are those the only people hes jailed and kicked out?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/07/23/venezuela.chavez.ap/
Chavez on Sunday ordered officials to monitor closely statements made by international figures during their visits to Venezuela -- and deport any outspoken critics.

Nope no dictators here at all.
 
Fact is, if this guy was Kow-towing to the US like Columbia, Saudi, Pakistan or any of ther other dirty little political systems the US controls from afar, most people wouldnt have ever heard of him.

Few people would debate that the Saudi regieme is more brutal than anything in south America. Do you know off the top of your head who the King is? some will, no doubt. Far more know whose the leader of Venezuela. thats not because of his percieved "brutality" thats because he opposes America

Oh thats rich right there. Turn it around and make it Americas fault. Thats just sad. In the face of overwhelming facts that Hugo is a dictator you resort to the old its Americas fault. That right there proves you've lost the debate. You have resorted to desperate tactics.
 
In the US, the state does not control entertainment. We do not have a state funded film company (like Chavez is spending BIG BUCKS on). Can anyone name a "venue" that is state owned? Perhaps we should be more disturbed by the existance of state owned stadiums holding select private preformances, than by the ban of a particular artist to utilize those state run entertainment (propoganda?) venues.

Actually, local, and possibly state governments do operate some entertainment values (although they don't have much of a market share when compared to private arenas. Governments have been the people signing my checks when I perform several times.
 
Well, we have several stadiums here in South Florida, and none of them are government owned. Perhaps you're state was suckered into building a sports stadium or something.

I am against tax payer dollars being used to pay for concerts. I think they should be paid for by people who want to watch the concert.

Could you give an example of a state owned venue? Why would the government pay you to perform?
I'm curious. I was unaware that we had government contracts for entertainment (USO notwithstanding). Did you have to bid for that contract? Your paycheck was from the treasury department?
 
Well, we have several stadiums here in South Florida, and none of them are government owned. Perhaps you're state was suckered into building a sports stadium or something.

I am against tax payer dollars being used to pay for concerts. I think they should be paid for by people who want to watch the concert.

Could you give an example of a state owned venue? Why would the government pay you to preform?
I'm curious.

No, nothing the size of a stadium, (stadiums are often paid for with tax money, but I dont think the state owns them) I believe the Ohio State Fairgrounds (and thus, the Ohio Expo center), are operated by, at least in part, the government (either Columbus, or the State of Ohio).

Let me give you an example. My hometown puts on a weeklong festival every summer, with live music every night. Other groups help sponsor, and administer the event, but its the actual village that owns the stage (which is used for other community events), and does the booking. My checks say "Village of Blahblahblah"

The festival is a huge boon for local commerce, since it attracts people from all over Columbus, who then spend lots of money. By throwing a few hundred bucks my way, they get quality entertainment that will bring people downtown...so they spend money at downtown stores, which flows back into tax coffers.

They check over every act that applies to be a part of the festival. They can't be profane or overtly sexual, and we're not allowed to endorse a political candidate during the performance
 
Most big stadiums are owned by the city or state they are built and leased to the people ( usually a pro sports team) who use it most.
 
Good example, Downtown. It's much more clear to me now. Thanks.

I'm not sure that it mitigates what Chavez has done. However, I'm not sure that what Chavez did is so terrible, either. It's not really a "ban". He just pulled the government owned stage from underneath the performer.

Upon further examination, I shall not condemn Chavez for this move because I would not condemn a local government for pulling a performance if they felt it was counter to their goals. For instance, if Downtown's band was death metal, I would not blame the village for saying "no" to his band. Even if I do think he is quickly becomming/already is a dictator, this particular event is a weak example of his intentions - Unlike his multi-million dollar, federally owned propoganda/film studio, which is truely scary.
 
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