North American Technate

Do you support the idea of a North American Technocratic nation?

  • Yes (I am North American)

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Yes (I am not North American)

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • No (I am North American)

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • No (I am not North American)

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • undecided/don't care

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Total voters
    19

Alvaro da Luna

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The North American Technate is a design and plan to transform North America into a technocratic society after the collapse of capitalism. The plan includes using Canada's rich deposits of minerals and hydro-electric power as a complement to the United States's industrial and agricultural capacity.

Link. Thoughts?
 
Collapse of capitalism? If that happens Americans will just start capitalism again. Socialist societies don't work for long.
 
Capitalism doesn't really collapse: it's a natural law, like evolution or gravity. You can suppress it, and squelch it where it pops up, but you can't get rid of it.
 
This is a matter for when the US really does collapse.
 
Collapse of capitalism? If that happens Americans will just start capitalism again. Socialist societies don't work for long.
Technocracy IS capitalism taken to its furthesr possible evolution
 
Collapse of capitalism? If that happens Americans will just start capitalism again. Socialist societies don't work for long.

Then are the Scandinavian countries capitalist despite having e.g. extensive welfare states? "Socialism" tends to change meaning between threads quite rapidly.
 
Oh, it's only civilization that allows us to violate the naturalness of capitalism (and gravity, and evolution ...)
 
Oh, it's only civilization that allows us to violate the naturalness of capitalism (and gravity, and evolution ...)
I wouldn't say capitalism is a natural state. If we go back to Hobbes' philosopy, the natural state is anarchy; the war of everyman, where life is "nasty, brutish and short". Only with a nation state and the according property laws can capitalism exist. I'd say it's more an innovation than a natural state.
 
I wouldn't say capitalism is a natural state. If we go back to Hobbes' philosopy, the natural state is anarchy; the war of everyman, where life is "nasty, brutish and short". Only with a nation state and the according property laws can capitalism exist. I'd say it's more an innovation than a natural state.

From anarchy springs alliance, from alliance mutual peace, from mutual peace free market.
 
Living in North America, opposed to a North American being in a Technocracy! I aint livin in no Orwellian 1984 world.
 
From anarchy springs alliance, from alliance mutual peace, from mutual peace free market.

Alliances must be forged through hard work and trust. Mutual peace, even between allies is at time precarious. And peace does not necessetate free market, as the Former USSR illustrates. I do agree however that Capitalism and free markets are a mirrors of man's nature. Selfish and Decadent.
 

The US already has acess to our resources and Hydro power through NAFTA. And I don't see the Cpaitalist system collapasing anytime soon either. The last thing people in the Geographic region formrly known as Canada would want to do is revert back to a purley resource based economy. Further the logistics of getting such a social project off the ground without Capitalism guiding the allocation of resources would be impossible. Interesting thought though.
 
I used to think of myself as a technocrat, believing that "increasing technology creates more wealth for all" stuff. But looking into the details in the websites shown... Wow, They are not even close to what I was thinking. It looks suspiciously close to an energy currency version of communism in practice.

In a technocracy, money is replaced with an energy currency that is used by the technocratic leadership charged with providing everyone with their needs and wants. People just get what they want and need, and the leaders-on-high tell everyone how to get there so that everyone is equal, the goal being a zero growth society.

I understand that the fact that there is, was, and always will be more energy available than we could ever use in real life, but the invisible allocation mechanism hits up against real life... the conversion of that energy to meet the needs of people.

But, then again, it might be possible in time. I don't think we should strive for such an ending in the journey of humanity, though.

Capitalism may be hard work, but that is a good thing. Hard work is rewarded in a truly capitalistic society.
 
Then are the Scandinavian countries capitalist despite having e.g. extensive welfare states? "Socialism" tends to change meaning between threads quite rapidly.

Social democracies, I guess. FInland is already stretching the limit :dubious:
 
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