Not a Fan of CIV IV? Tell Us Why.

[brainpan]

In my seemingly endless online multiplayer experience with Civilization IV and it's superlative mod, Fall from Heaven II, I had come to assume that love for the game was uncritical and near universal. Not true!

I almost cried with joy at the release of each new installment of Civilization and I never thought any of the previous versions were better than the newer ones. (I must be honest and admit Civ III sat on the shelf for a year before I took the time to learn how to play it--Alpha Centauri is mostly to blame for that--but I loved it ever since.

It wasn't until recent conversations here that I ever considered alternative opinions. It would be very hard for me to go back to Civ III at this point, but maybe I haven't experienced all it had to offer.

So why don't you like Civ IV? What does Civ III have to offer that I can't get with Civ IV? Which servers host online play for Civ III, or do you use direct IP like I usually must with Fall from Heaven II?

 

[Mirc]

What does this thread have to do with Off-Topic? Talking about Civ in OT is pretty much the only way to be OT in OT...

 

[brainpan]

LOL! Yeah, I wondered about that. But this is the only forum besides Fall from Heaven that I participate in. I would rather get opinions from peeps here that I at least kinda' sorta' know.

 

[Gogf]

I've never seen you playing multiplayer, but I haven't played CIV since BTS was released.

 

[.Shane.]

What does this thread have to do with Off-Topic? Talking about Civ in OT is pretty much the only way to be OT in OT...

I think this is a good place for the question because so many people who post here don't even play Civ at all, let alone Civ IV.

 

[brainpan]

I've never seen you playing multiplayer, but I haven't played CIV since BTS was released.

I've been off for the last two weeks because my computer is having issues. Should be back up in about a week or so.

 

[Tycoon101]

Civ4 is just plain boring and bland. The graphics really ruin the experience for me.

Civ3 is far superior, despite it being so much less advanced.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

You suffer from WFYABTA then Tycoon?

 

[Tycoon101]

You suffer from WFYABTA then Tycoon?

No, I just refuse to pay money and buy an expansion pack to a game that is patently broken; even if the expansion pack carries this "Fall From Heaven II" that thousands of fan boys have wet dreams about.

Civ4 is mediocre to an extreme and is just not fun to play, whereas Europa Universalis III is fun and actually worth my time and money.

 

[brainpan]

No, I just refuse to pay money and buy an expansion pack to a game that is patently broken; even if the expansion pack carries this "Fall From Heaven II" that thousands of fan boys have wet dreams about.

Actually, quite a few girls are involved in its development. Also, Fall from Heaven II is a free download. You don't need to buy expansion packs to get it. The BTS version is still having kinks worked out.

PS- Comments like "it blows" "patently broken" etc. doesn't tell me much and suggests you never gave the game a real try, or that you don't know what you're talking about. Do you have any specifics you would like to share? Did you like previous versions of Civ?

 

[EdCase]

Civ4 is fun to an extreme and is actually worth my time and money , whereas Europa Universalis III is mediocre and just not fun to play.

Took the liberty of correcting that statement for you. You must have been tired or something

 

[Catharsis]

I don't like getting involved in these sorts of 'debate' (commas wholeheartedly inverted), but the pro-Civ III argument is confusing. The main point made by Civ III fans is, 'They shouldn't have made it 3D, the graphics don't matter, it's the gameplay that's important!' but most of the complaints I see against Civ IV seem to be along the lines of, 'The graphics are awful!'

Mayhap a slight contradiction there?

 

[Gogf]

I've been off for the last two weeks because my computer is having issues. Should be back up in about a week or so.

BTS was released a couple of months ago, so anything in the past couple of weeks shouldn't matter. I'm going to bet you either started playing after my hiatus began, or that you were playing Vanilla instead of Warlords. Well, or you just weren't a ladder player...

 

[brainpan]

I don't like getting involved in these sorts of 'debate' (commas wholeheartedly inverted), but the pro-Civ III argument is confusing.

I hope this doesn't turn into a debate at all.

I really want to know if I'm missing out on something. Some people here seem very sincere in their love for Civ III, and I suspect there is probably at least a few good reasons why. I loved Civ III myself, but I wonder what I missed that makes it a better game than Civ IV.

The main point made by Civ III fans is, 'They shouldn't have made it 3D, the graphics don't matter, it's the gameplay that's important!'

This is a point I agree with wholeheartedly. The first thing I did was to turn off all the animations and effects when I installed Civ IV. Anyone who tries to play with them in multiplayer is severly reprimanded.

 

[EconomistBR]

What does this thread have to do with Off-Topic? Talking about Civ in OT is pretty much the only way to be OT in OT...

Where should this question be asked?
On Civ 4 forum?? No, people that don't play the Civ 4 don't visit the Civ 4 forum
On Civ 3 forum??No, the question would heavely biased against the Civ 4
The best place is here, becasue of the mix of people.

I think this is a good place for the question because so many people who post here don't even play Civ at all, let alone Civ IV.

I totally agree, I haven't played C3 is 4 years and I don't own C4 and yet I am really interested on this topic...go figure...

 

[Tycoon101]

Actually, quite a few girls are involved in its development.

I mentioned that?

Also, Fall from Heaven II is a free download. You don't need to buy expansion packs to get it. The BTS version is still having kinks worked out.

Yet the mod does not work with my version of Civ4. I assume that I need one of the expansion packs to make the mod actually work with what I have.

PS- Comments like "it blows" "patently broken" etc. doesn't tell me much and suggests you never gave the game a real try, or that you don't know what you're talking about.Do you have any specifics you would like to share?

Every time I played Civ4, over the constant stretch from December 2005-August 2007, I became bored with the game. It isn't because of the fighting, it isn't because of the slow expansion, it isn't even because of a problem with the newly implemented features; the game is just not fun by the Renaissance Era. All the new features were wonderful, but the core game just became too boring for me to stand.

Did you like previous versions of Civ?

Civ2 was fine, and Civ3 is great when I play it with Heretic Cata's mod.

Took the liberty of correcting that statement for you. You must have been tired or something

Brainpan is just infusing my innards with silliness, so my mind is just a wee bit ill

 

[brainpan]

Yet the mod does not work with my version of Civ4. I assume that I need one of the expansion packs to make the mod actually work with what I have.

Get version .023, it works with vanilla civ. If you have further trouble, which you probably won't, I suggest you complain @ Fall from Heaven Forum. Usually you will get a lot of help there, sometimes even from Kael, the lead designer!

...the game is just not fun by the Renaissance Era. All the new features were wonderful, but the core game just became too boring for me to stand.

Ah. I know what you're talking about. I've heard this before. The dreaded mid-game stagnation. Fall from Heaven dealt with that by including an Armageddon Counter. Having the world slide towards ruin tends to spice up a slow moving game.

Civ2 was fine, and Civ3 is great when I play it with Heretic Cata's mod.

Where can I get the mod? What does it do?

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

Its quite simple. Civ IV is boring. I cannot get into a game like I could III. With III I could easily play all night. With IV, I get bored after 10 minutes. Things like religion were a nice addition, but the gameplay itself is just terrible. And the 3D graphics make it look horrible. I can't stand the way it looks. I tried to give IV a shot, but just couldn't stand it.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Its quite simple. Civ IV is boring. I cannot get into a game like I could III. With III I could easily play all night. With IV, I get bored after 10 minutes. Things like religion were a nice addition, but the gameplay itself is just terrible. And the 3D graphics make it look horrible. I can't stand the way it looks. I tried to give IV a shot, but just couldn't stand it.

Pretty much sums up my opinion, although I've tolerated Civ4 for longer.

Features such as religion and Great People fascinated me (and were fascinating enough for others to try and adapt them to Civ3), but the gameplay took a major hit. One of the biggest problems with the 3-D graphics is that they slow the game down considerably, not as in lag, but in the actual time it takes to move units and browse through city screens and such. This becomes especially frustrating later in the game, when each city is its own little job of micromanagement. I find that a game of Civ4 takes twice to three times as long to play than one of Civ3.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I thought CIV IV was, and still is, a great game, I just play through and beat the crap out of games pretty quickly. I've been thinking about digging it out lately, but haven't done it. I don't get what all the criticisms are...