I promise But I think I am missing something. Do you always have to have a military victory in order to have any other kind? I know in Civ IV you needed a military but it didn't always mean it was possible to wipe the world out. You could stay ahead in tech and fight the odd war. Before anyone responds with try mods, I am trying a couple at the moment and it seems to make Science an easier pursuit. But I find that I have to actually hold off from just wiping everyone out to win a Science victory for example. As in, the game has already been won through war, But I am purposefully not ending it that way. In most of my games I usually get declared on pretty early (which is fine) even with a good military score, I then have to at least take some retribution I.E a city or something for the bother. This allows another Civ to start getting a wonder lead or science lead. Which means in order to win I either: Go full economy and bribe city states to win that way or go full War to delay the teching and allow myself to get back to being ahead; by this point I have such a strong military there is literally no advantage to holding back. So yeah, This really isn't a complaint, just wondering if I am doing something wrong? I tend to play on King and avoid island-based maps (due to A.I's poor Sea choices often). TLDR: (though kind of hard to do) - How do you win a Science victory without essentially being able to out-right win a War victory? King difficulty and continent style maps generally.# EDIT: No, not a new player, got the game at release but obviously the expansion news has rekindled my interest.