Obama wants longer school year

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I couldn't find a thread on this, so here we go:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_us/us_more_school
WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.

Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.

"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."

The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.

"Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.

Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.

But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.

Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.

"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.

Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?

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Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.

"Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."

While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

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Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.

Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.

"Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."

In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.

Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.

Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.

Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.

Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.

Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.

That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.

Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.

"If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.

Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.

The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.

Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.

"Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."

I am glad I didn't vote for this bastard. :mad:

I'm also glad I got outta high school before this. :D
 
180 days isn't all that much. I have/had 200. It's a good thing that school is extended, but only if it allows for improvements in other areas. I mean, there isn't much point in extending school time for the sake of having school, so much as extending school time for the sake of enhanced learning, or deeper learning.
 
"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

Silly child. "But all this time I spend eating vegetables is time I could be spending eating ice cream!"
 
He'll have difficultly pushing it through, state's rights will be brought up at once.

Plus, it'll be hard enough to extend the school hours. Every time the school district I was in tried to alter it at all (change the times, make it longer/shorter etc) the parents in town threw a fit.
 
I think about half of the schools in Metro New Orleans are now on some kind of extended schedule, and it is showing positive results there. There is all kinds of research to show that the current summer vacation format perpetuates the achievement gap, so changing it is kind of common sense. A few US govs have floated their own versions of this plan, albeit to some political resistance.

The issue is paying for it, since teachers won't work extra hours for free. I support it, and if my district is willing to pay me, I'll teach as long as they want. Lord knows my kids need it.
 
Giving an inspirational speech (which I supported) is one thing. Trying to tell States what schools should be doing specifically is not okay. I didn't approve of Bush's educational initiatives and I will not approve of Obama's. Why? It's none of their damned business what the States choose to do with the schools.
 
It's a good idea, but paying for it will be difficult. Prediction: the idea dies in committee.
 
Giving an inspirational speech (which I supported) is one thing. Trying to tell States what schools should be doing specifically is not okay. I didn't approve of Bush's educational initiatives and I will not approve of Obama's. Why? It's none of their damned business what the States choose to do with the schools.

It should be, because the states collectively fudging everything up :)
 
School is a deposit for kids anyway, I'm not surprised that it'll keep being expanded. And so will universities, etc - all meant to keep the young occupied, lest they start getting ideas of their own...
 
School is a deposit for kids anyway, I'm not surprised that it'll keep being expanded. And so will universities, etc - all meant to keep the young occupied, lest they start getting ideas of their own...

This kid sure looks ready to make use of extra time not in school, go out and evaluate the conditions of her social upbringing and bring about change in her community:

"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

Or, I think she just wants to go watch TV and be bombarded by materialist, hedonistic culture and engage in crass consumerism at the mall, and complain about how her parents "just don't get me, man" in between drags on the doobie.
 
I am a firm believer in implementing new policy for a better change on how we educate our children in United States. One- is to make it mandatory to provide young people to learn secondary languages in all school districts across the country. Some school districts will have German language as secondary language, or more, while other school districts will have other languages, or more. This area is the big problem since American Exceptionalism cannot be practical for young people in our country to compete with other young people of other Nations who highly have the advantage already in this area.
 
My total vacation time, including holidays, does not even reach 3 months. Some days I spend almost 11 hours in School, usually I spend about 8-9 hours. And I dont even complain about it.
So I applaud Obama for welcoming American School Students to put in more.
 
School is a deposit for kids anyway, I'm not surprised that it'll keep being expanded. And so will universities, etc - all meant to keep the young occupied, lest they start getting ideas of their own...

Somehow, I doubt these kids will be formenting revolution if they weren't going to school.
 
So the logic lays in that our existing system of how we teach our children is horrible due to not having enough days for teachers to teach and keep young people interested? So one day or one more week, or months is something that will all of the sudden change our crappy system for the better?

How about less students (10 students for one teacher) in a classroom? Or even better yet, have 10 students for one teacher for all of the students' academic life - starting first grade to all the way to 12th?

How about secondary languages for all students? Not an option for a student but mandatory.

How about better non-sweetened and non-fatty foods in school's cafeterias?

Why have students who play sports only have to have a D average grade?

Why no mandatory philosophy and general religion classes?

Why no health and sex education starting from 6th grade and up?

Why the existing crap and more days to be added? - because they don't want you to think.
 
So the logic lays in that our existing system of how we teach our children is horrible due to not having enough days for teachers to teach and keep young people interested? So one day or one more week, or months is something that will all of the sudden change our crappy system for the better?
Nobody said that this would be the only thing we have to do, but it is certainly part of the solution.

How about less students (10 students for one teacher) in a classroom? Or even better yet, have 10 students for one teacher for all of the students' academic life - starting first grade to all the way to 12th?
Great idea. How do we pay for three times the number of teachers we have now?

How about secondary languages for all students? Not an option for a student but mandatory.
Some secondary language courses are a graduation requirement for more than half of the US. It isn't required across the board because 1) it is expensive and 2) learning languages without immersion isn't effective.

How about better non-sweetened and non-fatty foods in school's cafeterias?
Okay, lets do that. In fact, lots of schools across the country are doing that right now.

Why have students who play sports only have to have a D average grade?
I think we both know the answer to that question

Why no mandatory philosophy and general religion classes?
Because that is a waste of time and resources.

Why no health and sex education starting from 6th grade and up?
We have that. Every student has to have at least one heath credit in middle school and one and a half in high school.

Why the existing crap and more days to be added? - because they don't want you to think.
Yes, we're stopping the revolution by adding 20 more instructional days.
 
1. Does any one know if Obama is ever attended a public school?
2. Neither the President or the Federal government has any authority over the length of the school year.
3. The problem with the US school system isn't the length of the school year but it is typical of governments to think "well, what we are currently doing sucks so well just do more of it and spend more money on it and things will improve."
 
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