I can't recall ever trying to force Shaka to capitulate before, but in my last game he refused to talk for much longer than 10 turns. After wiping out about half his empire in 8 or so turns I stopped advancing and was just waiting for him to start talking. After he still wasn't talking after 12 or 13 turns I got sick of waiting and continued the march, taking all his cities except for the lame one he build out on an Island. Finally, when he had one unit in his last city he stoped refusing to talk. I'm just wondering if that is typical Zulu behaviour. FYI, Playing Prince difficulty, normal speed, on Warlords for Mac, playing as Ragnar. Shaka declared war on me, I think because he'd already planned a war on Isabella, who'd capitulated a few turns before. Thanks for your input.