OCCC (One City Challenge Club) MarkII - Bismark

[evil_spock]

Normal speed, Prince, Diplo victory 1770AD.

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Settled 1E. Went with the routine "Agri->AH->Writing->Myst.->Med.->Priest->Math.->CoL"-path and oracled CS in 1160BC.

Made several mistakes with building and teching. I forgot to start building the pyramids as soon as possible and managed to get them 450bc. Also I didn't manage to get the GS to bulb edu, so I didn't get Oxford until 350ad. National epic was rather late too, 580ad. After that I went straight to national park (1350AD) and medicine with liberalism.

I also teched some unnecessary techs before going to mass media. The UN was built 1640AD, but had I played with a little more attention, it could been ready before 1600AD.

Had to try four times before getting the necessary votes, if I remember correctly. I was already building some "peace-keeping" forces, but Qin somehow decided to vote for me instead of himself and his vassal Mansa did the same.

Thanks for the game cas, it was quick and fun. At least this one didn't end miserably like the previous Boudica OCC did (A way too late "nuke 'em all to stone age" conquest).

 

[ABCDPuppies]

Spock, nice job on the win.

Spoiler :

Can you say a little more about what the diplo situation was when you won? From your post it sounds like Qin voted for you even though he was your competition, and I think I've literally never seen or heard of that happening before. If that's right, I'd be curious what sort of diplo modifiers he had with you at the end.

 

[Jastrow]

First attempt ended in disaster...

Spoiler :

I was on past to build the UN by 1500, but the vote was unlikely to go well. I was likely to get all votes except for Boudica and the Chinese (Korea was already dead), but Boudica controled over 30% of the world population, so this was unlikely to be enough. In any event, China declared was 5 turns before the UN was to complete, and his forces overran my token defence. I quite before waiting for the inevitable, but my capital would have fallen before the UN completed.

I plan to try again in the next few days if I find some civ time.

 

[evil_spock]

Spock, nice job on the win.

Can you say a little more about what the diplo situation was when you won? From your post it sounds like Qin voted for you even though he was your competition, and I think I've literally never seen or heard of that happening before. If that's right, I'd be curious what sort of diplo modifiers he had with you at the end.

Thanks!

Yes, Qin voted for himself in the first and third vote, but he also voted me in the second vote. That time I also got Mansa's and Joao's votes, but couldn't get Vicky to vote me just yet. Before the last vote, I declared war on Boudica so I got the nice "mutual military struggle" modifiers from Qin, Mansa, Vicky and Joao. All of them were in war with Boudica. That probably helped a little.

I was surprised that Vicky voted for me because she was "just" pleased with me. As for Qin alternating between voting himself and voting me, I guess there were some modifiers coming and going during that time.

Spoiler :

If you're interested, the modifiers were: +15 with Qin (+1 years of peace, +2 open borders, +2 mutual military struggle, +6 civics, +4 trade relations)

+13 with Joao (+1 years of peace, +1 military struggle, +4 religion, +4 trade relations, +2 open borders, +2 you voted for us (in AP)) -1 close borders

+10 with Vicky (+1 years of peace, +2 open borders, +2 military struggle, +2 civics, +3 trade relations, +1 you gave us help, -1 heathen religion)

+20 with Mansa (+1 years of peace, +8 religion, +2 open borders, +2 mutual military struggle, +4 trade relations, +1 you gave us help, +2 shared technological discoveries)

......and -18 with Boudica, -10 with Wang and -7 with Hannibal.

 

[Noogai]

Seems like everyone is going for diplo victory so it would be quite boring to win or loose one more. I'm a bit late, but I think I will try conquest with nukes.

People are going for diplo because that was stated as the "preferred" VC for this game. Pursuing other victories is fine too of course, but part of the interest is to compare strategies and results with players who are doing a similar sort of thing.

I see.. It's my first "public" game so I didn't really know to pay attention to that.

EDIT: I f*cked up and retired. Gonna play better next time..

 

[ABCDPuppies]

Seems like everyone is going for diplo victory so it would be quite boring to win or loose one more. I'm a bit late, but I think I will try conquest with nukes.

People are going for diplo because that was stated as the "preferred" VC for this game. Pursuing other victories is fine too of course, but part of the interest is to compare strategies and results with players who are doing a similar sort of thing.

 

[Soirana]

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Upped to immortal and it still was rather boring.... C'mmon once you found jao as neighbour and he will not be restricted to settle towards you, what are odds vote will run against him?

So i oracled CoL for religion snuck him in confu, spammed missionairies [instead of doing some fun] to drag Boudica out of Judaism into world religion of hindu...

Well, it went near end ssame way, big tech trading family with Confu Jao as my opponent and budhistic Wang acting like as lightning rod to get all declarations...

Got some fancy screenshots but these not really worth uploading...

Till next game

 

[-Asterix-]

Normal speed, prince:

Spoiler :

Quit around 1700ad with too tricky situation to pull out a diplo victory without a difficult war. Built UN 1460ad and had first vote for victory in 1520ad but diplo situation was too messed up. Even though I was friendly with almost everybody to the point in which they would vote for me, vassals ruined my game. My opponent in votes was Vicky who had vassaled Mansa (peacefully I think) and Wang Kon. I couldn't get their votes and Vicky was too much ahead in population compared to others to get knocked down. If I could have gotten Vicky to lose enough pop so that somebody else would have been my opponent, she would have voted for me with Mansa which would have been enough probably.

No use to try again with more careful diplo but winning around 1500ad shouldn't be too hard.

Thanks for the game, cas!

 

[Soirana]

Normal speed, prince:

Spoiler :

Quit around 1700ad with too tricky situation to pull out a diplo victory without a difficult war. Built UN 1460ad and had first vote for victory in 1520ad but diplo situation was too messed up. Even though I was friendly with almost everybody to the point in which they would vote for me, vassals ruined my game. My opponent in votes was Vicky who had vassaled Mansa (peacefully I think) and Wang Kon. I couldn't get their votes and Vicky was too much ahead in population compared to others to get knocked down. If I could have gotten Vicky to lose enough pop so that somebody else would have been my opponent, she would have voted for me with Mansa which would have been enough probably.

No use to try again with more careful diplo but winning around 1500ad shouldn't be too hard.

Spoiler :

Installing food corporations and spreading them wisely should have heleped in regulating who is the oponent...

 

[babar]

Prince, failure:

Spoiler :

Had most civs at friendly/pleased, but then so did other civs, and I gave up when I couldn't think of any way to get more +s. I've only ever won a couple of proper diplo victories, so I'm no expert, particularly when it comes to the more devious diplomatic machinations. It seems quite hard to plan for diplo from the outset, as sometimes the situation just doesn't turn out right. Peace vassaling, and the pop leader changing all the time made things too difficult for me to get a handle on.

 

[Jastrow]

I started a second time, and made a very confusing observation.

In both games I did the exact same thing at the start:

-Setteled in place
-Started on a worker using the 3H hill
-Started researching AH.

In the first game, the interface told me that both the worker and AH would be done in 12 turn.

In the second game, Worker was still to be in 12, but AH in 11.

And indeed, my log shows that I got AH one turn earlier in game two (And I worked the exact same square the entire time in both games.)

The descreptency was first noticed already in 4000 BC, so it cannot have to do with which opponents I had already met.

Can anyone explain this??? And what is the research time others are seeing in 4000 BC (Prince worldbuilder file.)

 

[-Asterix-]

Spoiler :

Installing food corporations and spreading them wisely should have heleped in regulating who is the oponent...

Spoiler :

Nice idea, never even thought about that! I just tried to get some wars going against Vicky which helped a bit but wasn't enough. I should have paid more attention to those middle game wars to prevent vassaling. That would have helped a lot.

 

[Jastrow]

Second attempt...

Spoiler :

I got the UN build in 1300, but was short the votes needed to win. I had all ai except Boudica pleased or higher, and my openent Joa was only cautious with most of them. He did not get a single vote other than himself, but only two AIs voted for me. The rest abstained. I guess I dont know enough about diplomacy to get the needed votes.

 

[QibingZero]

Prince / Normal, UN, 1888AD

Spoiler :

Well, I made quite a few errors in this game, but I decided to play on Prince and relax a bit so it ended up being a pretty casual win. As you can see, by early AD most of the world was gathered in a religious bloc opposing the two warmongers (this being mostly out of my control).

Thanks to this, not only were the two never a threat to me, but they were also at war with many other civs, making the AP used exclusively for wartime matters. Thankfully, not building the AP myself turned out to be an okay decision.

The major problems slowing down the victory date:

Erratic tech pattern - I went for quite a few other techs that I thought would improve my build/tech rate closer to the end, but at some point I should have just beelined for the UN.

Some questionable wonders - nothing serious here, didn't lose too much time

Hannibal not being hated enough - While everyone hated and warred with Boudica until she became a vassal, Hannibal wasn't dogpiled nearly enough. He managed to grab just enough land from my friends to block me out of the UN vote when I first built it. I responded by bribing everyone else into war with him (I had a comfortable tech lead all game) until they had enough votes to get me to victory. I even had to gift military techs to Joao because he was hopelessly far behind in military tech despite having the highest score and a vassal for half the game.