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OFFICIAL DISCUSSION: Citizen's Rights

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Citizens' started by Chieftess, Jan 26, 2005.

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  1. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    This is the discussion to determine what rights the citizens will have in DG6.
     
  2. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Quoting from the original consitution, I beleve that it should be carried onto the next game

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    Article A.  All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen 
                Registry are citizens of our country. Citizens have the 
                right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right 
                to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to 
                representation, the right to seek to redress grievances 
                and the right to vote.
    
     
  3. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I'm fine with the DG5 bill of rights.
     
  4. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Some minor changes -

    from "the right to a fair trial"
    to "the right to a fair and speedy trial"

    from "the right to seek to redress grievances"
    to "the right to seek a redress of grievances"

    Also, should we include the "no political parties" clause? That seems to have been missing from DG5, thus making them okay ...

    -- Ravensfire
     
  5. Ashburnham

    Ashburnham King

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    I agree that we should carry over the DG5 rights. Ravensfire's tweaking also looks fine. Political parties seem to be such a taboo in the Demogame that I doubt anyone would try it even if it wasn't in the Constitution. Still, for the sake of completeness, I suppose we should include it.
     
  6. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    I agree, I had bad experiences with what some called "traditional laws" recognizable only by indoctrinated veterans to stuck with their own digital world to introduce it to new players. I tried to start one once, and I got this angry PM from Rik stating it was not acceptable with political parties, but there was no law against it. Of course I adapted, but would like to see both the ban on political parties and the new Naming Laws firmly carved out in stone. In fact, all traditional laws should be made consitutional or totally omitted from the game, and there should be no such thing as traditional laws. I would also like a legal definition on the Will of the People, and mete out penalties to those abusing this word in public debates, hijacking the crux term of traditional law and abusing it to squash political opponents among the newbees easily intimidated by such an institutionalized term.
     
  7. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I beleve there should be something set instone regarding political parties.
     
  8. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Rights? RIGHTS?.... What the hell do they think this is?... A Democracy? :lol:
     
  9. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    What does "the right to representation" mean exactly? People can represent themselves or they can elect representatives?

    There should also be the right to protest. ;)
     
  10. truckingpete

    truckingpete On a Stark Trek

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    I just studied the US Constitution and it had something like that in there...now I forgot...at least I past the test..:D

    Anyway....DG5 Bill of Rights

    -TP
     
  11. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    What about this:

    Bill of Rights, 10 rights

    Right to a named military unit (Unit Code, Unit name, City Code)
    Right to Protest (In discussion threads and protest threads, not government threads)
    Right to Information (defined in CoL)
    Right to a fair and speedy trial (defined times and date of obsoletion of a crime)
    Right to form Citizen groups (defined in CoL)
    Right to codifed poll standards that are applied on critical decisions
    Right to Defend against undue criticism
    Right to Participate in elections and to vote in elections
    Right to put up citizens polls without being policed by other citizens, only moderators
     
  12. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    Sounds awefully fishy like a personal vendetta to me :mischief: :lol:
    Why can't we protest in government threads? Government officials are immune to criticism?
     
  13. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    You are taking it all personal. There were several instances government threads was threadjacked, without mine or your participation, so they had to be restarted and so on.
    This may learn players to discipline their outbursts into separate citizen threads and discussion threads, maybe even PMs for those from furnished homes. Government threads
    should be informational, and should not include attacks on opposition as well.
    I think many agree on this, and this division should indeed be discussed and polled.

    I think the moderator are tired of cleaning up excesses and citizens tired of seeing their information sourced tarnished by spam, threadjacks, flames and coup d'etats originated in provoked bans. Sorry Blackheart, but your shenanigans should be limited.
     
  14. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Who's taking it personally, Provolution?

    Who continues the personal and political attacks, Provolution?

    -- Ravensfire
     
  15. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Ravensfire, I know you are after me for many reasons. Well, all I wanted here was to make government threads informational havens, where the Right to Information on a report base could be orderly combined. You don't see the need Ravensfire, why are you prodding at me and not looking on the issue ?
     
  16. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Provo - quite honestly - I ignore you most of the time.

    I'm not after, have not been after you, and won't be after you. Bluntly - this is virtual and you're not worth my time.

    You, however, have a pointed vendetta against various people. You couldn't handle that some people didn't like your style, your decisions or your methods. Guess what - that's healthy. Yet you continually strive to silence your critics and toss back-handed insults. What what that one rule you proposed? Something about admitted drug users not holding office? Gee, now WHO could that have been targetting?

    I do get a great laugh skimming through your posts, though. Thanks for the break!

    -- Ravensfire
     
  17. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Thanks sir, this is all about entertainment :D
     
  18. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    My my, you make it sound as if there were a shadow government pulling the strings. Government threads are there for information about the government, that's right, but why bother to have seperate government threads if all that is going to be in it is information? We could group everything in one thread.
     
  19. YNCS

    YNCS Ex-bubblehead

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    Who determines what "undue criticism" is? I can easily see a flame war starting because someone complains "you threw undue criticism at me." "Did not, you silly person!" "Did too, wiper of other people's bottoms."
     
  20. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    I support Ravensfire's tweaking in this case
     
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