Ohio Supreme Court: boneless chicken wings are a cooking style and chicken obviously has bones

[Farm Boy]

I think there needs to be a legal avenue for recourse, especially against giant companies. Sometimes it's the only tool an individual (human) person has.

There's a difference between "people culturally being too into litigation" which is something I'm familiar with as a US "thing", and valid complaints that need to go somewhere. Nevermind "offering Disney a better shot", like they wouldn't try that regardless. Don't blame people for corpos being corporate. Don't blame people for trying. Which is how it's coming across at least.

I blame people for trying a lot of things. I blame thier lawyers(who presumably are not themselves in particular distress and are acting largely under the conceit of business just like corpos) for more. These aren't "acts of God." Of course Disney will try, that's why giving them softballs is a problem.

Does...does bat**** have bones?

They primarily eat invertebrates. Watch out for the owl pellets.

 

[Core Imposter]

We have a nasty nesting pair of barred owls that have taken up residence in our neighborhood. The blamed things will swoop down out of the trees and land right in front of you in an effort to scare you away from their territory. I guess they didn't know there were people living in the houses, no doubt they moved in during Covid when we were all in hiding. Owl scat is freaky. Definitely bone in.

 

[Gorbles]

Of course Disney will try, that's why giving them softballs is a problem.

No, I meant they will, softball or not. "don't ever do anything because bad people might do bad things" isn't really compelling here (specifically). Bad people are going to do the bad things regardless.

I agree there's a scale involved, things can be made worse. But "don't ever look for legal representation when you've literally been poisoned" seems to sit on the "stopping things get better" end of the scale, vs. the "making it worse" on the other end.

 

[Farm Boy]

No, it's not because they might. They will try. We have covered this, we agree.

So giving them the case which is a more likely vehicle to let them actually manage to win, the softball, is indeed a problem. It's helping pave the road.

The courts on Ohio needed to consider the legal precedents they were setting. One of those precedents is if there is a case that farmers have an obligation to safely prechew chicken for you at the stage that they sell it, bones and all, to a processor in the way to a restaurant on the way to an overpriced bouge meal.

 

[Gorbles]

No, it's not because they might. They will try. We have covered this, we agree.

So giving them the case which is a more likely vehicle to let them actually manage to win, the softball, is indeed a problem. It's helping pave the road.

The courts on Ohio needed to consider the legal precedents they were setting. One of those precedents is if there is a case that farmers have an obligation to safely prechew chicken for you at the stage that they sell it, bones and all, to a processor in the way to a restaurant on the way to an overpriced bouge meal.

"might" doesn't change my argument, in fact, it strengthens it.

If Disney can attempt to use a subscription service's TOS in response to any legal threat, the problem is not the legal threat. Don't settle for lending them that cover.

You can say it's paving the road, and if that's true, then far more is broken than somebody bringing a case like that forward. And the net result is: corporations win anyway by never having cases brought against them. Do you agree?

Back to the torn throat, I understand legal precedent. I'm saying the way they ruled was unnecessarily hostile to the individual harmed. I agree that the restaurant was likely not at fault. But somebody was. I haven't heard of a single such case in the UK in my life. Why? Laws! Presumably. We have a bunch of them relating to meat and poultry at any rate, and I can guarantee a case like the bone-in-throat one would 100% make the news, if not the historical record.

(contaminants are a lot harder to deal with; plenty of those cases on-record)

And my broke-ass parents could still afford red meat once a week when I was a kid.

 

[Farm Boy]

Cost of defense is crippling.

Insurance is crippling.

And that's at the base of a system that currently sells calories at... let's see... 56lbs per bu of number 2 corn, about 1566 calories per lb, about 87,696 calories per bushel. At 2000 calories a day, that's 43 days of calories per bu, corn is presently moving at the Chicago Board of Trade (pre transport, so magical matter less grain) for 3.735 per bu, that's about eight and a half cents per day. Meats value add, every step of labor value adds, but a guy selling chickens may very well just go titsup even winning a liability case. And he won't have to be "small." Even in the best scenario, now the taxpayer will make up the difference to make the industry function with subsidies.