On Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir's Oration

[IceBlaZe]

Yes...
In the last Arab League summit, the Malaysian prime minister Mohammed adressed the league with Racist Anti-semitic material resembling that said by Hitler and Goebbles.

Amongst it:

Muslims should unite against a few million Jews who "rule the world by proxy."

"The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million, but today the Jews rule the world by proxy," Mohamad said. "They get others to fight and die for them."

"They invented Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others."

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/16/malaysia031016


Well, not much of a surprise, though if such a speech is welcomed in the Arab league, how is there supposed to be peace with the countries in it?
Seems like Jews making peace with Nazi Germany.

Also, unfortunately not by surprise, Jacques Chirac prevented the condemnation of that speech in the EU.
It's always good that you have the French.
The Malaysian PM is very "thankful" for Chirac now. AS a matter of fact, he said he would like to thank him in person.
Is it a hobby of Chirac, making friends with antisemites? Or is it just a way to promote his way with the Muslims in France?
be carefull about slippling into bashing, Lefty

 

[CurtSibling]

YAWN.

Wait, don't tell me this mean that Europe is to be condemned as a whole,
because of the words of a Malaysian nincompoop, and the (probably misquoted) reaction by France’s hype-seeking Premier?

Shall the 750 million Europeans (who are all of course, fully fledged members of the SS) cut their throats right now so Israel can feel better?

This is exactly the kind of idiotic propaganda dribble that makes Americans go wild,
Only this time it is aimed at Europe. The poster or the story does not surprise me.

When are our Israeli propagandists, I mean posters going to realise that the vastly diverse
population of Europe are hardly going to take notice of one French leader and an obscure Eastern despot?

Please get real.

 

[CurtSibling]

"Either way, Chirac is a Really cool guy."

Leader trolling is a no-no.

If we can't slang off Bush, why should you attack Chirac?

(Not that I am any great fan of Chirac, but fair's fair.)

And please do not increase moderator load by quoting or copying material that will have to be edited, lefty

 

[Knight-Dragon]

For your knowledge, guys, Dr Mahathir is stepping down fr the Prime Ministership of Malaysia, beginning fr this month (or maybe next)...

I have a strong respect for our national leader, so watch it, guys.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Also, unfortunately not by surprise, Jacques Chirac prevented the condemnation of that speech in the EU.
It's always good that you have the French.

Nonsense. Chirac categorically denies that rumor, points out that the closing statements of EU meetings concern the results of the meeting and not discussion on international issues having happened during it, that Berlusconi, as host of the reunion, issued a statement condemning Mahatir's speech in the name of the whole EU, and that he personally condemned them as well.

Your article is not a proof of anti-semitism in France, but of anti-gallicism in Israel.

I would be more careful if I were you next time you accuse someone of racism. Looks like it can backfire.

 

[G-Man]

CurtSibling - I find it rather wierd that the only one in this thread adressing Europeans as a whole is you, yet you blame IceBlaZe for it.

It's a fact that Chirac said what he did. I see no propoganda in these news, and certainly not anything racist. Care to point out what you're talking about.

Also, the fact that europe doesn't care about its leaders' willingness to accept racism should be first of all realized by Europeans, not by Israelis.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by XIII
For your knowledge, guys, Dr Mahathir is stepping down fr the Prime Ministership of Malaysia, beginning fr this month (or maybe next)...

Dr Mahathir may have done a good job in Malaysia, especially concerning the economy, but that does not prevent his speech from being downright racist. And it was not the first time, either.
Sorry, but I can have little respect for a man preaching that the Jews control the world by proxy - brings back too many dark memories.
Especially after re-watching Cabaret yesterday night...

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Kinniken


Nonsense. Chirac categorically denies that rumor, points out that the closing statements of EU meetings concern the results of the meeting and not discussion on international issues having happened during it, that Berlusconi, as host of the reunion, issued a statement condemning Mahatir's speech in the name of the whole EU, and that he personally condemned them as well.

A stronger condemnation attempt was blocked by France.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by G-Man


A stronger condemnation attempt was blocked by France.

Source please?

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Mahatir is really cool guy who is much given over to inflammatory rhetoric and ranting against the West, capitalism and Jews and regular insulting and baiting of Australia. His latest potshot got more publicity because of its timing, but is just more of the same ordure from this really cool guy. May he have a happy retirement in the dustbin of history, and have a really nice day.

[/mod]Bash and troll not, lest thee be moderatored, or even re-educated. lefty[/mod]

 

[insurgent]

Amen to that.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Kinniken


Source please?

"But in Brussels, France's President, Jacques Chirac, backed by other members including Greece, prevented the two-day summit from issuing a formal statement denouncing the Malaysian Prime Minister. Other leaders wanted such a condemnation, but the French President insisted there was "no place" in an EU declaration for such texts. "

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=454576

 

[IceBlaZe]

YAWN.

Wait, don't tell me this mean that Europe is to be condemned as a whole,
because of the words of a Malaysian nincompoop, and the (probably misquoted) reaction by France’s hype-seeking Premier?

Are you blind, CurtSibling?
Where did I condemn "Europe"?
I just condemned Chirac for blocking a condemnation by Europe.
You are blind and annoying - please stop from putting words in my mouth.

Shall the 750 million Europeans (who are all of course, fully fledged members of the SS) cut their throats right now so Israel can feel better?

Who talked about the entire population of Europe?
You are deluding, illusionary and dangerous. You are trying to turn all of the European posters against me?

This is exactly the kind of idiotic propaganda dribble that makes Americans go wild,
Only this time it is aimed at Europe. The poster or the story does not surprise me.

Propaganda - Where?
It is a fact Chirac blocked the condemnation attempt, and he is the only one (in addition to the Malaysian PM) this post was aimed at. Europe - where? Where did I say ANYTHING wrong about Europe?
Come on, step out of your little hallucination world and PROVE YOUR WORDS for once.

Leader trolling is a no-no.

If we can't slang off Bush, why should you attack Chirac?

Can I slang off the Malaysian PM? Pol Pot? Hitler?
They are/were all leaders.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by G-Man
CurtSibling - I find it rather wierd that the only one in this thread adressing Europeans as a whole is you, yet you blame IceBlaZe for it.

Don't play innocent.
We all know the agenda behind the whole thread.

Bash the Euros.

Originally posted by G-Man
It's a fact that Chirac said what he did. I see no propoganda in these news, and certainly not anything racist. Care to point out what you're talking about.

Please, at least pretend to credit me with some savvy, lad.

If you want a 'fact', here's one:
This thread is being held up as an example that all Europeans are nazis.

Another fact that is obvious:
The Israeli posters on this board make sport of making trolling anti-Euro racist comments, because they know they have a sympathy vote, and the silent approval of those in administrative power.

Despite the fact that many millions of Poles and other Europeans died in the holocaust, they continue to dream that the nazis only victimised the Jewish people.

Coupled with that, is the disgusting accusation that most of the innocent Euorpean common folk are some kind nazi sympathisers.

Saying that to the Scots people where I come from would get you a sound beating.

We FOUGHT a war against hitler, and shed much blood,
as did countless Europeans in occupied nations.

To say we Brits, and other Europeans love nazism is completely idioitic and shows just how out-of-touch soem people are.

If you cannot understand that, then you are far beneath my notice.

Enough facts?

Originally posted by G-Man
Also, the fact that europe doesn't care about its leaders' willingness to accept racism should be first of all realized by Europeans, not by Israelis.

SOURCE PLEASE.

Name all the racist leaders of Europe.

Again you court total cretinism with this generalisation.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Kinniken
Dr Mahathir may have done a good job in Malaysia, especially concerning the economy, but that does not prevent his speech from being downright racist. And it was not the first time, either.
Sorry, but I can have little respect for a man preaching that the Jews control the world by proxy - brings back too many dark memories.
Especially after re-watching Cabaret yesterday night...

Like I've said, I have a strong, grudging, respect for the guy. Not that I support his speech or what...

I don't know of many moderate Muslim leaders who'll stand up against Islamic fundamentalists, and will condemn Muslims themselves for being weak and foolish... Do you?

The National Front, led by him, is also losing out to the Islamic fundies in the back-country. It was only 'cause the Chinese carried the vote than the Front managed to win the last general election (the Malay vote was splited between the fundies and the moderates, due to the stupid Anwar scandal).

I more than suspect that the speech is for home consumption as well... Sad to say, but in the backwoods of my home country, there're many people who'll believe such stuff.

 

[Tassadar]

I found the malaysian speech much less offensive than the US general speech about evil muslim.

And i agree that world safety have been compromise by an artificial state.

 

[IceBlaZe]

Don't play innocent.
We all know the agenda behind the whole thread.

Bash the Euros

Being the starter of this thread, I'd wholeheartedly have to say you are completely 100% wrong.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Are you blind, CurtSibling?
Where did I condemn "Europe"?
I just condemned Chirac for blocking a condemnation by Europe.
You are blind and annoying - please stop from putting words in my mouth.

How quickly the insults come spewing out.

Anyway be a troll, it reflects your true nature well.

"The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million, but today the Jews rule the world by proxy," Mohamad said. "They get others to fight and die for them."

Note the word 'Europeans.'

I find it hard to believe that Chirac or any Western leader would take that as praise and applaud it.

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Who talked about the entire population of Europe?
You are deluding, illusionary and dangerous.

A man with no eyes could see your intentions.

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
You are trying to turn all of the European posters against me?

You are doing a good job on your own.

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Propaganda - Where?
It is a fact Chirac blocked the condemnation attempt, and he is the only one (in addition to the Malaysian PM) this post was aimed at. Europe - where? Where did I say ANYTHING wrong about Europe?

Chirac is not illustrative of the whole of Europe, he is one leader.

And NOT my leader.

So am I anti-Jewish?

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Come on, step out of your little hallucination world and PROVE YOUR WORDS for once.

Come out of your little propaganda world and stop attacking Europe, based on one politician's words.

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Can I slang off the Malaysian PM? Pol Pot? Hitler?
They are/were all leaders.

Dead despots don;t count.

What if a thread appeared where people said 'Ariel Sharon is a fascist'?

You wouldn't be long in whining, I'll bet.

What a bunch.

 

[CurtSibling]

:G-Man and Iceblaze:

I don't hear you pair making any accusations at XIII?

Strangely silent, aren't we?

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by G-Man
A stronger condemnation attempt was blocked by France.

Originally posted by G-Man
"But in Brussels, France's President, Jacques Chirac, backed by other members including Greece, prevented the two-day summit from issuing a formal statement denouncing the Malaysian Prime Minister. Other leaders wanted such a condemnation, but the French President insisted there was "no place" in an EU declaration for such texts. "

Two totally different thing. As I said above, EU end-of-meeting conclusions are supposed to contain the result of the EU meeting, while reactions to international actuality are the object of a declaration by the EU president (currently Berlusconi) in the name of the whole EU. One document is not "stronger" than the other, they are made for different purposes. And both are "formal statements". You might as well ask why the condemnation of Mahathir's speech is not included in the proposed EU constitution...

I maintain that the way that Israeli newspaper pounced on the issue and tried to use it to paint Chirac, and though him France, as antisemitic looks far more like blind racism than Chirac thinking (rightly, judging by previous end-of-meeting conclusions) that the proper place for condemning the speech is in a declaration by the EU president, and fully associating himself and France with it.