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On the Importance of the United Kingdom

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Pillager, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. Pillager

    Pillager League of Empire Loyalist

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    I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread on this, as I think it's an important and interesting subject of discussion, and one that's been raging probably since the 1880s, when our dominance first began to be challenged.

    I hope you'll be open to continuing the debate.

    In response to your last post:

    I have never said that we are a superpower. There is only one superpower in the world. I merely maintain that we are at the 'top of the pile' of the rest of the world. I don't think that we are as important as say, Japan, economically, and we are obviously not as populous as many other countries, but I do think that a case can be made for the view that we are overall at least as important as any country in the world, bar the US.

    As for 'realism', I don't think our drug problems nor having an unemployment rate as low or lower than nearly all of our main economic rivals undermines our standing in relation to them.

    I include my last post from the other thread:



    As does every country. This doesn't reduce our importance in the world.




    This again?! English is the most widely spoken language in the world. It is the language of popular culture, business, the internet. Apart from China, you name a country in which Mandarin Chinese is spoken widely, as either a first or second language. English is spoken as a first language in the UK, Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, and others, and it is spoken by a large proportion of the population as a second language in pretty well every country in the world. It is so much more important that every other language in the world that the point is really indisputable.



    Our relationship to the US is very important - everyone's relationship with the US is important because of her undeniable dominance. Our closeness to her is a part of our influence and strength, but not all of it.



    1. That is of little consequence in our world-wide standing. Look at the size of the USA's debt.
    2. What??? Our unemployment is extremely low compared to France, Germany and Russia, and practically the same as the USA's. Ours is approximately 5% (lower on some measures), as is the USA's. Both France and Germany have unemployment of over 10%, and I shudder to think what Russia's is. Japan is the only major power to have lower unemployment.
    3. That is a cause of concern, but it hardly invalidates my argument. We still have the most important military force in Europe, and one of the most important in the world.
    4. I think you must be getting very desperate for arguments. This point is just irrelevant.
    5. This is irrelevant too. Would you prefer Chirac the Criminal, or perhaps Schroeder 'promise everything to get elected, oppose the US to get elected, then do bugger all as my economy goes down the pan'?
     
  2. Peri

    Peri Vote early and vote often

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    To use a trite football analogy. We are probably in the Premier League but we certainly arent pushing for a place in Europe. We are the Tottenham of nations
     
  3. nihilistic

    nihilistic Intergalatic Delivery Boy

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    The dominant position of English is indisputable. However, I would like to point out that your remark that Chinese is not spoken anywhere else is mistake. Chinese is spoken pretty much by everybody in Singapore. Large portions of people in Malaysia and Thailand speak Chinese, and most of the Southeast Asian countries have significant Chinese-speaking populace. Chinese won't be rivaling English anytime soon, but it is not going to be extinct or contained either.
     
  4. Pillager

    Pillager League of Empire Loyalist

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    Yes, fair point, I stand corrected.
     
  5. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    I disagree. Who is above us except for America? and why?
     
  6. Jorge

    Jorge Yo mismo

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    Define "above"
     
  7. knowltok2

    knowltok2 Deity

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    Don't forget Tibet. ;) :(
     
  8. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Nice to start the thread with a pasted argument that you think puts you on a winning foot.

    A scoundrel's tactic.

    You have had a raw nerve tweaked, I deem!
    So Pillager, I will make this statement.

    The empire you cling to is long gone.

    You seek a surrogate new one via the USA, I think.

    I am mainly critical of some people (like yourself) who are, at the sight of some UK troops at war, filled with patriotic zeal, aping our superpower ally.

    It is ridiculous to inflate the standing of a country that is at best an ex-super power, wallowing in ideas of lost grandeur.

    Then to justify it using the same arguments again that the USA use, the supposed impotence of the continental Euro-nations.

    While we are a capable nation we are still a servitor to US interests.

    The idea that we have some great moral and military power over nations like Russia and China, is in a word, laughable.
     
  9. Dell19

    Dell19 Take a break

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    Since we are in the G7 then its reasonable to say that we are at least pushing for Europe and may even get a Champions League place as we are fifth at the moment but we were fourth.
     
  10. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    a·bove ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-bv)
    adv.

    1. On high; overhead: the clouds above.
    2. In heaven; heavenward.
    3a. Upstairs: a table in the dining room above.
    3b. To a degree that is over zero: 15° above.
    4. In or to a higher place.
    5. In an earlier part of a given text: “The problems cited above have led to a number of suggestions for reform” (Wharton Magazine).
    6. In or to a higher rank or position: the ranks of major and above.
    Better than being servitor to French...I mean European interests.
     
  11. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    Iceland.
    (that is, if you are holding your map with North upside)
     
  12. ellie

    ellie Emperor

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    Its just as bad when those people who obviously despise their country try to put it down so often.


    Ellie
     
  13. WonderStuFF

    WonderStuFF Chieftain

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    Bravo i agree.
     
  14. zippy

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    Curt,

    Are you a Scottish Nationalist?
     
  15. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    OH!

    I see!

    Because I do not fall into line with the opinions spoken by some of you...

    I must 'despise' Britain'...
    Utter junk. Is this all you have?

    Pitiful!

    I love my country. And the British Union. And I love being European

    All the more reason to attack this wave of US-style patriotic blinkerism that is being spewed around here.
     
  16. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Label attempt eh?

    No, I despise them.

    I am BRITISH!

    I defend the union, Thank you. :rolleyes:
     
  17. WonderStuFF

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    Lol since when has numbers defined a great military power because thats all Russia and China has going for it.
    The Russians are totally skint and the creation of all their new military hardware is for sale to other countries.
    You just have to look at the B**locks up they made of that theatre rescue.They gassed about 80 people to kill about a dozen terrorists.Couldn't see the SAS doing that.
    China has a massive army yes.But its all conscripts.
    Weight of numbers is becoming less of an issue.The Finns proved that against Russia.
    WS~
     
  18. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    If it is currently 'becoming' less of an issue;

    Explain why you use an example from 1940?

    And Finland's triumphs against Stalin were as much to do with Russian incompetence as it had to do with Finnish capability.
     
  19. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Sorry, MrPresident, your repeated rubbish about France might make you feel incredibly witty,
    but in reality, you sound like a broken record and have 0% credibility in my eyes.

    I will take notice when you say something sensible.

    :)
     
  20. ellie

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    I never mentioned you curt

    If you decided i was talking about you then you must have reasons,
    :lol:
     

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