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On the Importance of the United Kingdom

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Pillager, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. nihilistic

    nihilistic Intergalatic Delivery Boy

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    You should consider changing the "Importance" in the thread title to something like ... "Significance". I kept misreading it as "Impotence". :rolleyes:
     
  2. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Haw!

    Now Pillager can see how the US sees us! :lol:
     
  3. anarchywrksbest

    anarchywrksbest Deity

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    Well at the time America wasn't really that great, in fact it was a bit of a hole full of whining colonial types, we gave up America cause at the time were fighting for control of the largest economy in the world - India :yeah:

    And why did we give away our pocessions? Well if you mean the colonies then surely 'giving them away' proves that we did not want to be seen as a tyranical empire in a modern world that had no place for them?
     
  4. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    Funny how you can give away all the components of an empire, but still have one?

    :nya:
     
  5. anarchywrksbest

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    Are you dissin' Montserrat? :mad:

    :p
     
  6. smalltalk

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    (being OT here, please skip it then)

    Agree. BTW, I'm really wondering how the Curdistan affair turns out.
     
  7. Richard III

    Richard III Duke of Gloucester

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    That's the secret ;)
     
  8. Portuguese

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    It seems to me that Mr Prez can't accept the truth:
    Port, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Spain, France AND UK lost most of their influence.

    Today China is MUCH MORE influent. English being spoken by many countries proves US (not UK's...) influence, as it is US who is responsible for that.

    Stop dreaming...

    UK is today, and since 1945, no more than US pet.

    Sorry to say that. This doesn't make me happy either.
    It's just the plain truth :(
     
  9. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    I think that the British are just having difficulty deciding whether to focus their allegiences with Europe or with the "Anglo-group" of nations (i.e. countries which they settled and are basically culturally similar)

    Ultimately, the UK is merely number 2 on the American assimilation process (Canada being the first, they took us pretty quickly). Mainland Europe is soon to follow. Japan is coming along quite nicely as well.
     
  10. Archer 007

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    Very true. Which way do you think it will go?
     
  11. GerrardCapashen

    GerrardCapashen Benalish Master-at-Arms

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    At the moment, Britain appears to be aligning itself with the United States, but I think that in the next 20 years Britain will grow closer to Europe. I don't see why there has to be a choice between the U.S.A. and Europe; I think that Britain could pursue a strong relationship with both. Even if the prevailing opinion in Britain is that the E.U. is controlled by France and Germany (of which I am not entirely sure, not knowing about public opinion in Britain), refusing to fully engage with it is not going to break any French-German stranglehold on E.U. policy, but rather make it stronger because Britain is not putting its full effort into influencing the outcome of E.U. decisions.
     
  12. Plastic

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    It has to be a choice because you have people like Chirac who say that he wants to unify Europe to put in opposition to the US.
     
  13. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    As long as Great Britain, Europe and USA can find common ground and agree I would be happy.

    The fallouts and whine-fest by all, duing the Iraq war build-up was a bit disappointing.
     
  14. Drewcifer

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    But complaining about each other is what we all do best, and is good sport too.;)
     
  15. CurtSibling

    CurtSibling ENEMY ACE™ SLeague Staff Supporter

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    It does become wearisome eventually.

    And is not good sport when delivered by dead-pans like Chirac and Rummy.
     
  16. Drewcifer

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    I meant here, the people who run the real world are idiots, mostly.
     
  17. ellie

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    Hmm trying to answer t seriously is tough

    Economically: germany of course has a larger economy.

    Politically: its a mess, more influence in the states. But id think its fair to say that its more important for brits to think of a @special @ friendship than americans.

    Less influence in europe. Due to staying outside partly, and partly due to chirac etc being perfectly wiling to ignore rules set by the eu when it doesnt suit their national interests.

    Military: Nowhere near a super power, best in europe despite what some here may choose to believe. But would struggle to unilaterally invade signifigant countries due to manpower. Vital for the current war, the US could do the war alone, but the loss of armoured division, 2 elite brigades with specialist skills, artillery etc would mean a much longer war with more casualties. Of course if germany actually wanted to buld a military they could surpass the UK

    It could be argued that our @influence@ in the USA is bought with the blood of our young men. Ie we are willing to send our soldiers in to support america a lot of the time.

    So overall i would rate us as a strong economic country, surpassed by a few others. With a political influence at a price. And a strong military, again surpassed by 1 or 2 others.

    Ellie
     
  18. CurtSibling

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    I have realised, This whole thread is a non-starter!

    I don't see why we have to argue about our status, anyway...

    We are BRITISH! That is all we have to know!

    We don't have to beat our chests like the Americans, we are born with a special status. :)


    Ellie, Pillager, MrPresident and Wonderstuff, would you care to join me in a moment of pride?

     
  19. WonderStuFF

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    Jesus,i go to work and look what happens.....Ok

    Wonderfluff..?? Come on Curt your'e better than that.

    I don't see that the US views us in any particular way just because someone cracks an obvious gag?
    The UK naturally gravitates toward the US because they have a complete lack of trust and respect for a lot of countries in Europe.
    Yes the US could defeat Iraq on their own.Iraq hardly being the most modern fighting force in the world.Easier with us?.Probably.
    Which army could not use RMCommando's or the SAS?
    The Americans don't draw their name out of a hat..they request them because they are the best.Which other European country could or would offer that support?..yes Nobody.

    @Portuguese...The wide use of the English language was firmly in place in the world as the language of trade etc long before there was a USA so that point is invalid.
    The UK is the US's pet.?
    Why is it always countries outside that relationship who see it that way?Also what influence was it that Belgium and Portugal has lost?
    Ok..this thread has the title'Iotuk',so i'll have a stab at that.
    Firstly i believe that the UK is the most influential nation in Europe.
    Influential in terms of language,humour,music,sport,art ,theatre.Think the Beatles,James Bond,Tolkein,Rolling Stones,Man United,Liverpool,Harry Potter,Ben Elton,Blackadder,Billy Connolly.Ok some are silly but they are known all around the world as being British.What have the other nations got?France has Alain Delon and Germany had David Hasselhoff at number one for 2 weeks in their music chart with 'I'm a Knightrider'.Ok im joking and dont want anyone to get offended..but come on it's true.
    Yes America is a super power but would i rather be a yank than a Brit..No of course not.Being proud of my country for all the reasons i list above is what makes me proud.It's got nothing to do with harking back to the days of Empire as some would have you believe.
    If you ask the yanks who they would rather have at their side during a scrap or who would they rather listen to,The Beatles or David Hasselhoff,i reckon i know which way they would go.....

    With a nudge and a wink and my tongue in my cheek.........WS~
     
  20. WonderStuFF

    WonderStuFF Chieftain

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    hehe Curt i raise a glass to you.To our Welsh,Scottish and Irish brothers everywhere 8)
    WS~

    P.s I have yet to post a message that was of good timing.
     

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