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Opinion Poll: Allow private binding polls?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game: Polls' started by DaveShack, Jul 28, 2006.

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Do you think private binding polls should be allowed?

Poll closed Aug 1, 2006.
  1. Yes, both initiative and referendum

    3 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. Yes, but only initiative

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
  3. Yes, but only referendum

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. No

    7 vote(s)
    46.7%
  5. Abstain

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  1. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    There is a heated debate right now over private vs public binding polls. You can find the discussion here. This opinion poll is a way for you to make your feelings on the position known without having to comment on it. It is private to eliminate any chance that coercion could be claimed.

    Do you think binding polls should be allowed to be private?

    Yes - Both Initiative and Referendum
    Yes - Only Initiative
    Yes - Only Referendum
    No
    Abstain

    This poll is open for 4 days.
     
  2. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I encourage everyone to vote for one of the yes options. This is only an opinion poll and is therefore not binding. After four terms of me bringing up the issue of allowing private polls we finally had a discussion going but now I fear the discussion will peter out prematurely since this poll is up. So please vote yes on allowing private polls so DaveShack and others will realize we should discuss this issue further. If 'no' wins this poll then DaveShack will use it as evidence that the matter should be dropped. So please, if you are unsure or uninformed on this question, please vote yes and join this discussion.
     
  3. GeorgeOP

    GeorgeOP RF Bleachers

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    bad poll. what happens if the final results are 4-5-4-6-2? Do the 6 people who voted no win overe the 9 people who wanted initiatives to be private and the 8 people who wanted referendums to be private? There should be two polls, should initiatives be allowed to be private, and should referendums be allowed to be private. I also believe there needs to be more than two days of disscussion before a poll like this opens.
     
  4. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    If it were a binding poll, you'd be absolutely right.

    This is only an opinion poll. As such, the results don't really mean anything other than to determine if we have one person or many people who vote yes.
     
  5. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    Did enough people vote yes to allow us to have a serious discussion about whether private initiative polls should be allowed?
     
  6. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Now, let's try this with a public poll to see if donsig's theory is correct. Will the ragers against the status quo scurry beneath the floorboards and vote No if their names are released? I doubt it.

    Either way, it doesn't matter to me. If we don't really care to know how our legislators (and possible candidates) are voting, then let's have that talk. It will just give us less to base our vote upon if the quest for private polls succeeds. Then again, all one has to do is be nominated to win a seat, so there goes my argument.

    Long story short: do whatever ya want, but I'd start paying more attention to the actual game than this sideshow.
     
  7. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I don't have a *theory*. Both public and private polls have advantages and disadvantages. I think we all know this and that's why the vote split so evenly. All I've been asking for is to give each citizen the choice of poll type when posting an initiative. I've never said we should stop using public polls. I've never raged against the status quo - only certain interpretations of it. I've said all along that our laws allow for private initiative polls. Term after term our Censors have decided upon a different interpretation and have forbidden private initiative polls.

    The next obvious step in this is to see if there will be any sense in the new Censor's procedures.
     
  8. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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