Opinions on TUBWN per Eras for each Victory Types...

[Zyxpsilon]

CLOSED - Permanently -- This thread (from now on) stands as a placeholder for updates to the ODS spreadsheet only.

You'd think the above "Poll" is easy to answer. Wait & See. You're in for a big surprise!

I just need your help and a few minutes of your precious time... to fill in the blanks on the included spreadsheet. ODS for those who prefer Open-Office or the usual MS_XLS format. My first choice goes with ODS but it's alright if you must use the other.

Quick Instructions;

-- The top section has five boxes (<< tags) where you need to type some Identity stuff.

-- There are 12 "Rows" per Eras. Many of which contain List Boxes already providing you with default choices to make by simple clicking. Techs, Units, Buildings, Wonders, Nationals, Social Policies, etc.

-- The Five Victory Types have their own Column sections while the "#" should contain your priority rating (0-8) for each items.

-- A few extras have been given too. Just for kicks.

-- At the Bottom of the main section there's a Reference Dataset of many gameplay elements. Need not be concerned about these... but can be consulted or read.

-- To the right are some Tables (10x18, as it happens) that expose all the Tree data in individual themes. Again, hover on these "Bulls_Eyes" as often as you need to.

-- Total work necessary? A whopping amount of 420 answers, plus the # numbers! But don't worry, it will most probably feel like a breeze.

Hovering above the tiny cornered RED-Dots will also hint on useful facts where it matters most.

Fill everything to the best of your abilities, knowledge & gameplay experience. I sure would enjoy catching the great(est) players out there for this. Everyone's opinions are important but accuracy & coherence will certainly be appreciated.

Now, you may ask... WHY?

Simple -- Z-EraCorner (Mod) and its huge amount of popups will (soon) require sophisticated DATA & reliable figures. From you! Estimates or guesses are often misleading to the casual gamers. Solid experience by true CiV champions can only help them further too.

Once done. Save+Rename the original file by replacing the (Blanks) field with your CFC member name, zip_rar it all back on a newly renamed archive file too. Log back to this thread and attach the results to a reply below.

I believe a minimal of 20-25 polls could be necessary to produce a reliable statistical "proof" of concept. So spread the word... more, the better.

Obsolete comment, AFAIC... Many Thanks, as i very much appreciate it.

(EDIT; 11/07/11); The attached file is for the SpreadSheet'ing the Facts link... exclusively.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

I've already voted!
And... you'll surely get to see my results later.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Bumped - to stir up some more essential activity.
Com'on, don't be shy...

 

[Tomice]

Well, I'd really like to help you, but I have not the slightest idea what you want after looking at the file?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Fairly simple;

-- Clicking on empty cells offers a drop-down list attached to the "side-arrow". Then, the validated element for any of these specific rows are added automatically as your choices.

-- This survey is basically asking players to reveal *WHAT* they believe are the most optimal choices to make for every situations listed in the variable rows & columns.

** Example; Best first Tech of the Industrial Era when the player is aiming for a Cultural WIN... Steam Power, Biology or even Railroad(?), etc.
** But You decide to select Telegraph since it unlocks Cristo Redentor Wonder with its -33% cultural costs advantage!
** And, so on.

-- Compiling results from these statistics (as it happens, i may never get enough answers to reach any worthy valid proof of concept, btw -- 23 Views_D/L in about 6 days **and** only 2 people formally committed to actually fill these up!) would then become relatively accurate to provide simple but still direct recommendations within the Z-EraCorner upcoming MOD.

In doing so, i will design a "Visual" context to get quick details, fast references... about anything; Wonders, Techs, Units, Buildings (+) for any Victory conditions (+), etc.

As a hint... to the extreme right on that spreadsheet; the 10x18 Tables will basically serve as a general framework for the integrated "Tech-Tree" scanning process which will be added to that MOD as well in a popup of its own.

Think of it as an alternate Civilopedia on steroids!

(PS; Take a look at this HUGE "Verbose" version by Trickster7135 in this thread... indirectly, i'll expand on similar intentions with item ratings(0/8), description lines, usual Icons, a few_many_lot of values in a number of PopUps while using the default "Welcome to X Era!" events as a basic minimal context for access to supplemental assets.)

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Sooooo.... any progress? Results? Some completed spreadsheets for me to sink my teeth into?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Alright, three long weeks worth of 32 Views and not a single result to show for.
Yep, this community is great for peeping into somebody's extensive spreadsheet work but not that good when it means contributing to the project.

Sooooo.... i *must* (as of today) consider this attempt at getting some kind of help from you people a total failure.

Fine, i'll eventually manage to do a tricky version of the Z-Eras-Center MOD -- alone.

PS; Might as well quit this thread with a bang -- the image below is what the Victory buttons presently look like in the mod popup already designed.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

BUMPED!
Not even one?

 

[aatami]

Why do you even need these, may I ask?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Eras_Center mod where a minimal 20+ number of responses would (probably) allow accurate evaluation of similar but much more precise "Advisory data" like the icons shown on the next available techs on the drop down list once the current has been done.

A sort of popup reference for quick glimpses over what each Eras will offer and thus, recommended choices by most "popular" or suggested by "experts".
Indirectly, a Civilopedia focused on Visual concepts for specific TUBWN as they relate to any or all Winning Conditions.
1 is better than none.

At that rate, it should be - ready - in - somehow - 3 years or less.

Accessible from this 2nd Thumbnail popup...

 

[Robert Smith]

Why not take the information from HOF (they will hopefully soon start to take submissions). Just dl a saved victory file and read log file

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Good idea -duh, see you in 2 years -- minimum.
Not gonna waste my time on parsing bazillions of Saved files. Think i'm that dumb?

I've already given up on getting some help from this community, you'll all receive my results in the upcoming Z-Eras_Reality Alternatives mod once its Center component has been added.

I fiddled a bit with the Advisors "functions" to risk deduction on the Diplo/Culture (Domination/Time/Science were obvious choices) wins & to forge a personal opinion on these spreadsheet slots.
I needed some decent statistical proof from players, i won't get it.
Fine.

Make up your own strategies and lose or win trying to find rational solutions to enhance scoring results.

And, that's CFC_HOF, btw.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Updated Reference ODS_SpreadSheet to v1217 values.