Organizer of the Gaza flotilla admitted they started the violence
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Indeed. If I understand correctly, Israel never recognized the Armenian genocide because they didn't want to alienate Turkey, one of their only friends in the region. But Turkey under Sultan Erdogan is not a friend of Israel (or of anyone who isn't a crazy Islamist). Israel should thus promptly recognize the Armenian genocide, and send a "freedom convoy" to Kurdistan to denounce the blatant persecution and violation of human rights that the Turks inflict on Kurds.
It is a very bad situation. If anything, though, it is set to remain the same, instead of breaking up. It is even more absurd when one thinks of how Turkey has one of the most pro-nazi populations (literally, going by sales of nazi-tied books and other fare). Yet the government of Israel seems to need just this kind of thing, due to its own terribly bad strategy re the palestinians. A lot of issues would be solved if Israel would manage to have a more viable strategy.
Rejected by who? The General Assembly? 'Human rights' organizations?
I'm thinking that's just how you interpret any claim of jurisdiction.
Not having a friendly government in Turkey isn't grounds for provoking them needlessly (unless we assume that the Kurds will gain independence, which I think is extremely dubious).
Traitorfish
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Zkribbler
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Sending armed men onto an unarmed, civilian ship on a mercy mission in international waters is piracy.
If I march into an active war zone and walk toward a military encampment carrying boxes, should I get a free pass from the other side if I announce that they only contain candy bars?
No, but I would expect an anarchist to take into account that their perspective isn't shared by most people condemning these actions.
Yeah, I'm not going to be engaging with this.
Traitorfish
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Israel is not at war with Palestine. At least, not officially.
For sure, which is why the IDF feels obliged to offer the fig-leaf. But that recognition doesn't place any obligation on us to regard the fig-leaf as credible.
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Let me get this straight, you are defining "started the violence" as having happened sometime well after armed Israeli commandos forcefully boarded a ship. Is that the gist? If so, gosh, I wonder why this view of events is not getting a lot of support in the media.
Wait... is instituting a naval blockade not considered an act of violence?
Depends on the reason. JFK blockaded Cuba (which is a sovereign country, unlike Palestine).
Zkribbler
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It only quacked, waddled, and swam like a blockade.
So if I punch someone in the face, its only an act of violence depending on the reason I punched him?
Timsup2nothin
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And everyone on the planet, including JFK, acknowledged it as an act of violence. There is no "depends on the reason," it is what it is. It may be justified, or it might not. Just like homicide.
Point being?
I believe much of the controversy centered around Israel conducting a 'massacre' on board the flotilla. Whatever you think of them boarding a ship in international waters, they did not start shooting without cause.
A blockade is more like a threat to punch someone in the face.
Traitorfish
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The failure of the convoy to behave as if there is a war on does not seem just cause for a massacre given that there was not, in fact, a war on.
