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Overextension stability and Recession/Economic Growth.

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by Logoncal, Feb 13, 2018.

  1. Logoncal

    Logoncal Chieftain

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    Can somebody give me some clear information about how they work? I know some of it as in you should always grow your Commerce and that having a core with higher pop is always welcome, Jails and Courthouses are godlike and such.

    But i dont really know clearly. Anybody knows exactly how they work?
     
  2. Tigranes

    Tigranes Armenian

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    Must be documented in Pedia. Let's read now and discuss.
     
  3. Logoncal

    Logoncal Chieftain

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    I just discovered that trade routes in your cities also takes a substantial importance on the Economic stability. Which means in order to prevent my recessions problems, i have to also focus on improving trade, aka build things like Custom Houses, Post Offices and Lighthouses.
    Also this makes Seafaring cities powerful, since they get the lighthouse and custom house.

    Also, civics. Industrial era can make you collapse if you dont pay attention. Basically, it seems that the best thing to do is to research Sociology and Social Contract before going to Industrial, to unlock aproppriate techs. (Which also explains why ragnar collpases often. This idiot's favourite civic is animism, of all the things. And he spawns at the 500s!)
     
  4. Leoreth

    Leoreth Knight of Time Moderator

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    Ragnar's favourite civic is Conquest.
     
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  5. 1SDAN

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    Even so he never switches off of Deification
     
  6. Leoreth

    Leoreth Knight of Time Moderator

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    The above post states it's Animism, which is still irrelevant because it's not a religious civic at all.
     
  7. Logoncal

    Logoncal Chieftain

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    Though for some god danm reason he sometimes refuses to change at all. And take a guess what happens to vikings 90% of the time
     
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    Leoreth Knight of Time Moderator

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    I'm currently looking into that.
     
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  9. Tigranes

    Tigranes Armenian

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    Recession is really representing real life situation. Look, in America they are unhappy with 2% annual growth and Trump's goal is 4%. And economic growth is everything: commerce from routes and towns, hummers from mines and lambermills, and I think even food taken into account. The good thing is that punishment does not happen immediately, there is a complicated system of checks.
     
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  10. 1SDAN

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    Yeah but it would help if my economic stability didn't nosedive when I stagnate while being THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMY IN THE WORLD! The game should reward me for rapid economic growth, not punish me because I didn't drip feed my citizens the benefits of better technologies. What, should I just stop all technological progress for 20 turns every now and then so that I don't pamper my citizens to the point that they hate me for neglecting them?
     
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    Hey, with that I'm sure you could get a job in the White House communications office
     
  12. 1SDAN

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    Just saying there should be a stability bonus for being advanced compared to nations that you have met.
     
  13. Logoncal

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    I mean, it does feel weird that even though i'm quite doing well i get something like, i dont know, minus 24 recession stability? Mind you, i'm not putting my France game in the example, because that was very well deserved of the minus 28 recession (I lost half of the cities to Germany and half of it from Spain), but my game as Italy not only i was doing all right but for some reason i was at -24. And then came the religious disunity and outdated civics, because i was an idiot and i didnt realized that taking Vassalage or something like Clergy was a terrible idea on the Industrial Era. Didnt help that Sociology and Social Contract wasnt researched.
     
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  14. Logoncal

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    Oh great, even when i got for commerce focus on all my cities and clearly get a higher commerce output, i still manage to have a -18 stability. Am i missing something here?
     
  15. Tigranes

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    Slow but steady wins the race. After China stopped double digits growth -- entire world felt the impact. Yes, people get used to good things and expect progress.

    @Logoncal would you mind uploading your empire here so that we could have a case study. Economy usually is what keeps my huge empires afloat most of the time when I overindulge in conquest.
     
  16. Logoncal

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    Here, my 2 games that i collapsed due to recession. Japan is even weirder since the momment i saw the stability dropping i went full on commerce and rather than going up, it went down even more.

    To make things even worse, i believe that my stability was so low that it triggered China's respawn, which was the coup d'grace of my downfall. (I think. I hope that stability played the factor on China's respawn and not just time)

    I dont know, man. I read the concept in civilopedia and i'm still confused on to not get a -20 recession while i dont know, playing on HEIR AND ALSO BEING ON TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD? HELP
     

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    Imp. Knoedel Imperator Knoedel the Great, Glorious and Gracious

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    I mean, the USA did suffer from the Great Depression.
     
  18. need my speed

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    The point is that economic stability does not reflect how well your economy is. It merely reflects how continuously you can improve your economy. Which is a finite process, unless Future Tech (Transhumanism?) adds a global +5% commerce or what have you every time you research it.

    Aside from that problem, it means that the optimum strategy is to let your economic stability fall to a certain level, and only thén improve your economy. Otherwise, you will run out of ways to improve your economy, because you applied all those ways the moment you got them. This is bad gameplay.
     
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  19. 1SDAN

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    Key word in that quote you quoted is STAGNATION, the Great Depression was a DEPRESSION. STAGNATION != DEPRESSION.
     
  20. Imp. Knoedel

    Imp. Knoedel Imperator Knoedel the Great, Glorious and Gracious

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    Now wait a minute, isn't there some civic (Central Planning or Socialism perhaps) that makes players immune to the negative effects of economic stability? If not, there should be.
     
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