Pacts of Cooperation and Secrecy

[PoweredBySoy]

Can somebody tell me what these two pacts do? I can't find any information in the Civilopedia, and everywhere I ask nobody seems to know. Yet the AI is almost constantly asking me to engage in these.

Thanks.

 

[Adam7Eight]

The lack of documentation for Civ5 is disappointing.

 

[Lt_Tarantulas]

I wish i knew as well! the manuel doesnt say (or I missed it?)

 

[milk steak]

AFAIK (this is all speculation at this point until the full SDK is released):

Joining in on a Pact of Cooperation (PoC) will net you positive relationship if you engage in trade, gifting, and other mutually beneficial diplomatic actions with that particular leader while under the PoC.

A Pact of Secrecy (PoS) is similar. When you and a leader form a PoS against a target leader, any positive diplomatic actions with the target leader will negatively affect your relations with the PoS leader while negative actions against the target leader will positively affect your relations with the PoS leader.


Edit -- TL;DR: Pact of Coop basically says "I'm going to help you" and if you do, +relationship. If you don't do anything, no affect. If you do anything against them, -relationship.

Pact of Secrecy means "I'm not going to help this target AI". If you don't help them or undermine them +relationship with the PoS'ed ally leader. If you do help the target AI, -relationship with the PoS'ed ally leader.

 

[lissenber]

I think a pact of secrecy means you`re not supposed to trade with the opposing civ and your friend is likely to drag you to war with that civ.

Pact of cooperation works something like this. The AI is more likely to propose deals with you (If he can make the same deal with other civs, he will ignore that option and bargain with you). Also more likely to drag you to war so don`t make pact of cooperations with aggressive civs (germany,Aztec). If you refuse these deals nothing will happen at first. Once the pact of cooperation ends the AI will either like or hate you more depending on how much you actually cooperated with him.

Ofcourse these are just some things i can assume from my observations. No guarantee they`re true.

Edit: Looks like milk steak got ahead of me

 

[jtwood]

I can't find any information in the Civilopedia

More than anything, this is why I feel that the "open source" tactic Firaxis threw out with IV was simply an opportunity for them to design half of a game that unpaid fans could fix for free while the company reaped in the benefits of a full-price game box.

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

I think it is the first step in negotiating with the ai's determination to ally with you in case if you do go along with its plan of not cooperating with its enemy that they despise. So all you have to do is avoid trading any thing with them (open borders, tech research, lux and strategic resources, etc) so that you can gain their trust, and later gain the reward of a defense pact with it. I never really cared to remember whom it was that I agree on having this pact of cooperation and secrecy against the other ai since I already was planning on taking each one by one out. Kinda steamroll over all of them since it is easy to outwit them in combat. Bad programming on the dev part.

 

[Skwerl]

Another point with the Pact of Cooperation: The civ you've signed with doesn't like it if you complete several Wonders. I've had three civs cancel on me for that reason