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Pakistan state governer killed for opposing blasphemy law

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by druidravi, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. druidravi

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    Basically this Governor opposed the death sentence given to the Asia Bibi the christian mother of 5 who supposedly committed blasphemy . He filed a mercy petition and supported repel of the infamous blasphemy law .
    One of his own security guard shot him 26 times with a submachine gun , while the other security personal just watched .

    Now the killer is garlanded in court , rose petals showered upon him, a facebook page supporting his action gains thousands of supporters before it is taken out . He is a hero now .

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/pak-governor-salman-taseers-assassin-garlanded-77391

    Spoiler :

    Islamabad: Lawyers showered the suspected killer of a prominent Pakistani governor with rose petals when he arrived at court on Wednesday and an influential Muslim scholars' group praised the assassination of the outspoken opponent of laws that order death for those who insult Islam.

    Mumtaz Qadri, 26, made his first appearance in an Islamabad court, where a judge remanded him in custody a day after he allegedly sprayed automatic gunfire at the back of Punjab province Governor Salman Taseer while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard.

    A rowdy crowd slapped him on the back and kissed his cheek as he was escorted inside.

    The lawyers who tossed handfuls of rose petals over him were not involved in the case.



    The suspect stood at the back door of an armoured police van with a flower necklace given to him by an admirer and repeatedly yelled "God is great."

    More than 500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat said no one should pray or express regret for the killing of Taseer.


    The group representing Pakistan's majority Barelvi sect, which follows a brand of Islam considered moderate, also issued a veiled threat to other opponents of the blasphemy laws.

    "The supporter is as equally guilty as one who committed blasphemy," the group warned in a statement, adding politicians, the media and others should learn "a lesson from the exemplary death."

    Meanwhile, a large group of mourners gathered in Lahore on Wednesday to attend Taseer's funeral prayers.

    Taseer's casket was brought to the funeral procession venue in Lahore in an ambulance and immediately surrounded by mourners.

    Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi were amongst a large number of the grieving supporters who arrived to pay their respects to the slain politician.

    Interior Minister Tasneem Ahmed Qureshi called it "an alarming situation for the future of the country".

    "I think the nation will have to make a conscious decision to oppose those elements who have narrow vision and kill for petty reasons and stop freedom of expression," he said.
    Jamat leader Maulana Shah Turabul Haq Qadri defended Qadri's actions as being dictated by "overwhelmed sentiments", and criticised those who attended Taseer's funeral.

    "Whoever commits blasphemy against the personality of our prophet, may peace be upon him, then his funeral prayers are not attended by Muslims," he said.


    Taseer's casket was airlifted by helicopter and transported to the burial site, where mourners gathered to watch the coffin being lowered in to the grave.

    A senior police official who interrogated suspect Mumtaz Qadri said he was determined to stand by his confession that he was proud to kill a blasphemer.

    The official said Qadri had looked for a chance to kill the governor since he joined his security squad on Tuesday morning, and took his chance when the squad was called to escort Taseer from a restaurant in the afternoon.

    A group of students gathered in Peshawar on Wednesday in support of Qadri.

    "He did a tremendous job," said one student.

    "All the students are proud of him," said another. "We are all with him."


    The assassination added to the turmoil in nuclear-armed Pakistan, where the government is on the verge of collapse and Islamic militancy is on the rise.

    Political allies questioned why Taseer hadn't been better protected, given the weeks of angry protests outside the governor's mansion over his opposition to the blasphemy laws.

    His death also came as a blow to the ruling party, which is struggling to retain power after the defection of a key ally from its governing coalition that left it without a majority in parliament.



    This is really a sad development . This guy was one of the few outspoken liberal fighting against ingrained extremism in the Pakistan society . Not only is he killed by his own security , but the killer is hailed as a hero by large sections of society . Things look grim for the few rational voices in Pakistan .
     
  2. Aegis

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    I can't believe these people have access to nuclear weapons.
     
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    RIP Salman

    There were thousands who attended the funeral. All is not yet lost.

    From The Guardian:

    Best way to get rid of your enemies in a country gripped by fear: spread misinformation alleging them of some heinous act, so that removing/killing him seems entirely justified, and so no one would dare attempt to defend him. And because the ordinary people felt a public threat has been removed, they feel more secure rather than threatened.
     
  4. Formaldehyde

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    The "few rational voices in Pakistan"? :lol:

    While I completely agree that any fundamentalist religion can be quite dangerous to any civilized society, this is hardly an indication that the entire country lacks "rational voices". Here's the comments from one such person from your own article:

    And Hindu religious extremism itself isn't exactly a shining beacon of truth, liberty, and freedom either:

    Hindu Extremism On The Rise In India

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    It is simply unfair to try to blame an entire country for the acts of a few fundamentalist extremists, expecially when your own country faces essentially the same problems from its own religious fanatics.

    Do you feel any better that Israel, or even the US, have nukes?
     
  5. druidravi

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    I don't disagree that there are fundamentalists in Hindus as well. The main difference in India is the civil society , the press , courts come out strongly on an extremism . I don't think you would find any common man praising the killing of Graham Staines .

    In pakistan non-muslims have been getting killed due to the 'supposed' blasphemy . And very few actually dare to speak out against it . The few who speak out have been getting death threats .

    I have been visiting and following Pakistan Boards , newspapers from a long time now . I have seen this problem . People refuse to believe that there is actually religious extremism on the rise and it has to be combated . Right now conspiracy theories are on rise . Instead of the Paksitani Taliban the CIA,MOSSAD , RAW are being blamed for all the terrorist attacks in the country . In face there was this fake wikileak published by major newspapers in Pakistan which supposedly showed that Indian intelligence agency RAW was behind all the terror in Pakistan . Many newspapers published it and later when it was revealed to be fake , very few gave apologies .

    Here's a blog on this issue by a brilliant Pakistani columnist whom I follow.
    http://blog.dawn.com/2011/01/05/death-becomes-his/

    Spoiler :

    Punjab Governor, Salman Taseer, was assassinated yesterday (January 4) by one of his security guards. The guard, who soon gave himself up to the police, proudly claimed that he killed the late Governor because Taseer had described the controversial blasphemy law as a ‘black law.’

    Shocked? Well, about time. Governor Taseer’s murder is just a symptom of the creeping tyranny of religious hatred and demented self-righteousness each and every Pakistani has been living under for a number of years now.

    Today, only a handful of Pakistanis are willing to stick out their chins and brace themselves for a possible beating for calling a spade a spade, and the late Governor was one of these brave souls.

    There are very few vocal Pakistanis in this regard (in politics, media and cyberspace), who continue to face the music, tunes and threats of utter hatred thrown towards them not only from the usual faith-driven fascists who have taken it upon themselves to kill and harass in the fine name of Islam and God, but also from a rising (and strange) breed of ‘modernists’ who just cannot get their disfigured egos to admit that yes, Pakistan today has perhaps become one of the first examples of a fascist faith-based dystopia.

    Never mind the animalistic murderers who in their pursuit to ‘safeguard faith’ have actually become a raving mockery of the whole concept of ashraful makhlukat (i.e. they have simply ceased being the humans that God created), but what about the educated ones, who too had a problem with Governor Taseer’s stand?

    Since I would like to believe that there is still some essence of humanity left in them, there will be some who will be wishing and hoping that a theological justification is found behind such murders so they may acquit themselves of defending hatred in the name of faith and patriotism.

    Alas! There is simply is no justification, theological or otherwise. Respected and deeply learned Islamic scholars like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi have repeatedly insisted that there is no historical or theological example or space in the workings of Islam for a law such as the blasphemy law.

    But of course, what value or weight does reason and tolerance have in a country that is rapidly on a downward spiral towards a social and political abyss? It is a bottomless pit that many of us continue to insist is the reason why the founders created Pakistan.

    This warped insistence that hell is actually heaven, comes cramped with a number of feeble arguments where renegade hate mongers, wily religious exploiters and their many animated soundboards in both print and electronic media try to whitewash their dark bile with chants against drone attacks and the blood of their ‘fellow countrymen’ who are being killed by the bullets of the Pakistan Army in the northwest.

    Ordinary citizens are killed in our markets and mosques by the heroes and romanticised mujahids of these people. But instead of condemning such acts, they return to Aafia Siddiqui and the drones; politicians are assassinated for exercising their right to speak against injustices taking place in the name of faith, and they again return to Aafia and the drones; they and many of their children travel to the West for studies and business, and yet, they still talk about the drones.

    It is as if drone attacks are the root cause of all evil, madness and bloodshed in this country. But aren’t the drones a more recent phenomenon, some four to five years old? The ignorance, intolerance and violence erupting in this holy dystopia of ours took lives long before the word ‘drone’ even entered our populist vocabulary, so what nonsense are these hate mongers on about?

    Surely they can make a fool and a willing victim of a thoroughly disturbed and neurotic society with their lies, fake bombast and loud piety, but do they really think they can dodge their own conscience? These romanticised terrorists certainly can, because since they have stopped being humans, they have thus lost their conscience as well.

    But all those politicians, preachers, columnists, TV anchors and their hung-over followers who, after Taseer’s statement against the blasphemy law, were beating the drums of hatred and passing judgments on matters over which only God alone has jurisdiction – what about them?

    Are they happy? Do they feel triumphant? I doubt it. They will go back to doing what they do best: repress their guilt and the little humanity left in them by becoming even louder about their love of God and country and how angry they are because of, yes, you guessed it – the drone attacks.

    I say, shame on you. I, as a Muslim, refuse to be categorised with cowards like you who have made a mockery of my country and my religion all over the world. Stop now before each one of you completely loses whatever little God’s greatest gifts are left in you: humanity, kindness, forgiveness and reason.

    I say, renounce the hatred, the ignorance and bile you have been peddling as faith and justice. It is you who are God’s and this country’s greatest enemy, and may God alone have mercy on you.


    Read some of the comments i the blog , they are enlightening about the state of affairs there .
     
  6. Formaldehyde

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    There are many who would disagree with that personal assessment of your own country. Take Amnesty International, for instance:

    ..Indian doctor Binayak Sen's conviction and life sentence mock justice

    India is almost as backward as Pakistan is. It is merely a matter of degree.


    Link to video.
     
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    I can't believe it took so long for this topic to be born.
     
  8. druidravi

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    It is a local court which has given the sentence . There is still the high court and supreme court which can still overturn the ruling .

    And here is the civil society coming in full force behind him and opposing this .
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Binayak-Sens-release/articleshow/7224883.cms
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-conviction-of-Dr-Sen/articleshow/7219567.cms
    http://www.sify.com/news/kolkata-do...-sen-s-release-news-national-lbewaicdgce.html
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Hundr...Binayak-Sen-s-conviction/Article1-645309.aspx

    Anyways if you want to discuss India's backwardness you can open a new thread and i'll be happy to reply to you there .
     
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    Do you mean a thread about an incident which just occurred? Or the topic of Asia Bibi?

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=398438&highlight=Asia+Bibi

    Yet they have not done anything yet to overturn this obvious atrocity of justice. And there are clearly a multitude of such examples. India isn't any more known for its fair and impartial government than Pakistan is.

    It takes two to engage in over 60 years of bitter acrimony between two neighboring countries.

    I was merely responding to your hyperbole regarding this topic, which is clearly evident in the OP. There are many rational voices in both countries despite outward appearances at times.
     
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    Now that is a true warrior of the Prophet!
    EDIT: ... peace be upon Him! :shifty:
     
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    I've benn to both India and Pakistan and have a lot of business relation there. There is absolutly no way to comapre the two countries in terms of freedom, democracy and civil liberties. India may be poor, backward in many regards, with a fairly sizable population living in the middle ages (there is a lot of "sorcery" related crimes in India). But India is also a long functioning true and vigourous democracy, with a free press and axtremists are put aside (even more so since the fall of the BJP). India is also a first world country in many aspects.
    Pakistan is not as backward, extremist and "a land of islamist zealots " as is descreibed in the west, there is a stroong civil society that is countering the extremist elements in the society, ther many artists, writer, intellectual and people fighting bitterely against the "fools of Allah". But the influence of Radical Islam in Pakistan can't be comapred to the influence of Radical Hinduism in India, and one of the main reasons is the very reason PAkistan was created ie as a home for muslims Indians. Hinduism however never was the "raison d'être" of India (although it is still very important being the majority religion).
    I very often agree with you on many issues Formal, but on this one I think there is still big differences between the two nations
     
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    Why don't you trust them?
     
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    Considering that we don't openly assassinate our elected officials and then heap accolades upon the killer? Yes.
     
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    Once again, my issue was over claiming that there are few "rational voices" in Pakistan. That is obviously just as untrue for Pakistan as it is for Inda.

    Both countries are overly influenced by fundamentalist religious extremists.

    Both countries have their share of human rights travesties.

    Both countries have a lot in common with the US.

    Do you see their sovereign government doing so?

    Do you find anything similiarly offensive about this?

    WACO: THE FLAME STILL BURNS
     
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    @Formaldehyde- Israel has not been confirmed to have nukes...
     
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    Right... And I suppose South Africa didn't have any which were jointly developed either, until the government decided to destroy them once the Afrikaners were forced out of power.
     
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    I never said they didn't have them, in fact, I tend to agree that they do. But it hasn't been proven.
     
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    Not yet.

     

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