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Pantheon founded on turn 6?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by adsin15, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. adsin15

    adsin15 Warlord

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    Unknown civ founds a Pantheon on turn 6 of an Emperor start game?

    How is this possible when I have Ancient Ruins disabled?
     
  2. kaspergm

    kaspergm Deity

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    Celts? 2 faith per turn if city has 3 or more unimproved forets adjacent.
     
  3. adsin15

    adsin15 Warlord

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    yea if they had 4 forest tiles they could do it in 6 turns.
     
  4. EriktheRead

    EriktheRead Chieftain

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    Dead giveaway for Celts. Ive seen them found at turn five, and I've seen Ethiopia found at turn ten.
     
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    Browd Dilettante Administrator

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    And Ethiopia can found even earlier than turn 10 by meeting a religious CS first and finishing a Stele on turn 4 or 5.
     
  6. Abraxis

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    Ancient ruins will not award piety until standard turn 20 onward.
     
  7. Doktor Vic Tim

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    I've founded a pantheon at turn 3 once upon meeting two religious CS next to each other.

    A bit of a pity meeting cultural CS doesn't give you a one time +5 culture or something
     
  8. kamex

    kamex Emperor

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    I've founded a region by turn 20, all standard settings.

    Spain, find Mt. Sinai on turn 2, settle it, and one with nature
     
  9. Væringjar

    Væringjar Warlord

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    They probably discovered 2 Religious City-States. So, they found the pantheon.
     
  10. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    Turn 6 isn't normal for Celts; they do it on turn 5 if they have 2 forests and turn 10 with only 1 forest.

    I'm thinking the human is on King+ so the AIs started with Pottery, and some other AI chose Shrine (or UB based on it) as its first build and was first to a religious city state.
     
  11. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    He never specified the speed he is playing on.

    the religious bonus from meeting CS is not scaled on speed, and you need 6 faith to found the first pantheon on normal difficulty

    Which means that the first person to find a religious pantheon can easily found a Pantheon as it provides +8 faith when first meet.

    This also means that Turn 6 is completely normal for Celts with 1 forest tile to get the first pantheon on Quick. And Turn 3 when getting +2 faith.
     
  12. kaspergm

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    Could be he moved the settler for one turn before he settled. Like ... to get the extra faith from more adjacent forests.
     
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    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    A human might; but the AI appears programmed to always settle in place. (excluding starts in which the AI gets an extra settler)
     
  14. adsin15

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    It's Emperor difficulty/normal speed.
     
  15. Koiranputki

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    I've had it happen on Turn 2 (rare) with two back-to-back religious CSs... And I've had really early Pantheons (under 6 turns) even before founding my capital...while using my settler to explore for a Natural Wonder while playing as Spain....
     
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    That's makes it most likely that Maya or Ethiopia's first build was their UB replacement and also was first to a Religious City state (8 faith). Both of those UBs produce 2 faith per turn and so the AI only needed one turn following construction of it when combined with the religious city state to found the first pantheon.
     
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    A religious CS was near the ai and ai discovered it on turn 5 first. The next turn, the ai gets the pantheon.
     
  18. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    A bigger possibility for AI Celts on Immortal+ getting on turn 6 is that the first thing they did with their starting worker was chop a forest which brings them below 3 forest; (on turns 1 - 4 they got 2 faith per turn, but only 1 faith on turn 5 and so needed one more turn to hit 10)
     
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    Technically, even if they settle immediately next to 3+ forests, do they get the faith already from turn one, or will it only start on next turn, i.e. turn 2?
     
  20. Illinus

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    Just to confirm, do the Celts not have to work the forest tiles to get the faith? No way they've got 3-4 pop by turn 6. In which case..maybe the Celts aren't as low-tier after all...
     

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