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"Passive" Invasions

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Strategy & Tips' started by Crow T Robot, Dec 29, 2004.

  1. Crow T Robot

    Crow T Robot Minister of Hedonism

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    I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but i don't recall every seeing mention of it, so here goes for the benefit of those who got Civ for Christmas:

    I had aluminum disappear off my continent just as I could make use of it. I "had" to invade another continent anyway to expand/win, so I wanted to take possession of some aluminum when I did so. My target was at the southern tip of a continent with 2 small cities on either side, 4 tiles apart.

    The LZ was quite a ways away, so support was going to be a problem until I could get an airport built. So HOW I established a beachhead was important.

    To land an invasion then attack next turn would mean the target cities could/would be reinforced and the landing force would be attacked in the open. Because of the distance to reinforce, I was pouring everything I had into this invasion, and I wanted to get the most out of it.

    Instead of giving the AI a free turn at me, what I did was to land a lone settler right on top of the aluminum. The "AI" doesnt see this as a threat because it has no attack rating. Next turn, the AI couldnt tell me to get out or declare war, so the settler could found a city right on top of the resource.

    Then, the full invasion force waiting offshore could dock, unload AND attack the 2 cities that same turn, which they did with great effect. By not suffering any 'free shots' from the AI before the city was founded or war declared, I was able to expend moves on attacks.

    The only tricky part was to have the other transports the right distance away so they could dock. The transports went in unescorted so it wasnt bleeding obvious that an invasion was pending. Battleship and carrier groups came up the next 2 turns to secure the coastal area and support expansion.

    I had no idea if this wold work, but it was far more successful than brute force type invasions in the past.

    - HTH
     
  2. ybbor

    ybbor Will not change his avata

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    ingenious :eek: :goodjob: i HAVE to rember this next time!!!! why didn't i think of this! Great work! :thumbsup:
     
  3. Tomoyo

    Tomoyo Fate

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    The only problem I have with this is that it is considered ROP rape. I never use ROP rape.
     
  4. satchel

    satchel Chieftain

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    Would you still consider it RoP rape if you were already at war before settling the outpost city? That's an honest question; I'm mulling it over, although I have used a similar tactic in the past. It seems a bit exploitative in that you are taking advantage of the quirks of territorial movement.
     
  5. Tomoyo

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    If I was already at war before settling the outpost city, the settler would be dead.
     
  6. ybbor

    ybbor Will not change his avata

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    it's not ROP rape if you don't have an ROP ;)
     
  7. Tomoyo

    Tomoyo Fate

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    Actually, it is. :p
     
  8. Yuri2356

    Yuri2356 Test Screening

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    ROP rape without the ROP? That's just called rape.
     
  9. Tomoyo

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    The AI sees it as ROP rape even if you don't an ROP. :p
     
  10. Yuri2356

    Yuri2356 Test Screening

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    Does it realy matter what the AI 'thinks'? :rolleyes: The real quation is, do you think it's ROP rape? (For things like SGs)
     
  11. Tomoyo

    Tomoyo Fate

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    In that case, I do think that it is an ROP rape, because the AI allows you to somewhat move in their territory (semi-ROP), so you are abusing that non-get-out attitude of the AI.

    :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
     
  12. Gogf

    Gogf Indescribable

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    Don't worry, the AI wouldn't have noticed ;).
     
  13. Bluemofia

    Bluemofia F=ma

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    would it count as a ROP rape to wait till they yell at you and refuse?
     
  14. Tomoyo

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    For me, yes.
     
  15. IbnSina

    IbnSina Former Lurker

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    ... and if you have even so much as a worker in your enemy's territory when you declare war, you take a serious attitude hit with all the AIs. I don't care about ROP rape - the AIs do it to me all the time. I do care about exploits and attitude hits. I think this ploy scores on both of those points. I won't be using it. Nice idea, though...
     
  16. Yuri2356

    Yuri2356 Test Screening

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    Semi-ROP? Non-get-out attitude? You're getting desperate Tomo. How would you feel about this situation if said settler had been guarded on it's way in, making it a military advance rather than agressive building?
     
  17. Bluemofia

    Bluemofia F=ma

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    that explains why the ai all believe I have broken a ROP. stupid ai...
     
  18. Tomoyo

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    Semi-ROP = non-get-out attitude = the fact that the AI doesn't force you to get out of their territory on the first turn.

    If the settler was guarded on it's way in, and there was already a war, then it is acceptable.
     
  19. Yuri2356

    Yuri2356 Test Screening

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    Wow, a whole tile, what a deal. :rolleyes:
    What, so you never move in your armies before declaring war?
     
  20. Tomoyo

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    Nope, I'm respectable and never sneak attack.
     

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