pineappledan
Deity
@Stalker0 and I are at loggerheads over India's inability to convert its own cities in the current version.
The central issue at hand is that I think this is a general problem with how passive spread has been decreased over many consecutive patches and reworks, such that no civilization can effectively spread its own religion through passive means.
It is my opinion that passive spread through cities and trade routes should constitute the majority of conversions to your religion, both in your own cities and in other cities, enough even that the last to found in a standard game should feel their own religion's somewhat imperiled by the 20-30 turn lag. Missionaries should mainly be there to direct your religious spread in targeted ways, and create new centres for passive pressure to be generated from.
Stalker's viewpoint is that:
As this relates to India, The current India mechanics only slightly increase the % pressure for followers in your own cities. In the current patch, this is equivalent to 1-2 % modifiers from faith buildings depending on the size; more of a nudge, which relies on passive pressure already being a core driver of conversion. If Stalker's viewpoint is to prevail, India would need to have far more dramatic modifiers in order to make passive pressure viable. The current proposal is to increase the passive pressure per follower from 2 to 10%, 5x the previous amount.
So what are people's views on the role of passive spread in the game?
The central issue at hand is that I think this is a general problem with how passive spread has been decreased over many consecutive patches and reworks, such that no civilization can effectively spread its own religion through passive means.
It is my opinion that passive spread through cities and trade routes should constitute the majority of conversions to your religion, both in your own cities and in other cities, enough even that the last to found in a standard game should feel their own religion's somewhat imperiled by the 20-30 turn lag. Missionaries should mainly be there to direct your religious spread in targeted ways, and create new centres for passive pressure to be generated from.
Stalker's viewpoint is that:
Thus, if I am understanding his viewpoint, Stalker thinks that missionaries should be the primary vehicle for all spreading, and that passive pressure should only be sufficient to consolidate and maintain the converted state of cities you have already spread to.Missionaries are the standard way to spread religion[...]
Passive pressure augments and reinforces pressure, it’s not the primary vehicle for conversion, and never has been in any version of the mod. Only after the initial city conversions does passive start to turn into a dominant way to deliver pressure.
As this relates to India, The current India mechanics only slightly increase the % pressure for followers in your own cities. In the current patch, this is equivalent to 1-2 % modifiers from faith buildings depending on the size; more of a nudge, which relies on passive pressure already being a core driver of conversion. If Stalker's viewpoint is to prevail, India would need to have far more dramatic modifiers in order to make passive pressure viable. The current proposal is to increase the passive pressure per follower from 2 to 10%, 5x the previous amount.
So what are people's views on the role of passive spread in the game?