Peace treaty?

[tycoonist]

playing as boudica on a four continents domination attempt, i was stumped when i came to attack sitting bull. my massive fleet at the ready, i was about to declare when i discovered that i had a peace treaty with him. Why was this? to the best of my knowledge, i had never been at war with him or signed any kind of deal like that. (however he was at war with neighbour Peter at the time, but a few turns later, Monty declared on him too)

anyone else experienced this?

 

[mystyfly]

you automatically get a peace treaty signed when you trade. i m not sure whether it happens with every kind of trade but for example, you cannot demand tribute and kick his ass next turn...

 

[6K Man]

you automatically get a peace treaty signed when you trade. i m not sure whether it happens with every kind of trade but for example, you cannot demand tribute and kick his ass next turn...

Is this a BtS thing? I have the Vanilla game, and my standard m/o is to demand tribute right before a war declaration (I figure that I either get some tribute, or possibly the AI declares on me and saves me the reputation hit. Or at worst, nothing). Quite often, I get tribute and can still declare war the next turn ...

 

[tycoonist]

bugger. that explains it, i had demanded some gold off him, expecting to destroy him in the next few turns. thanks guys

 

[mystyfly]

[QUOTE="6K Man]Is this a BtS thing? I have the Vanilla game, and my standard m/o is to demand tribute right before a war declaration (I figure that I either get some tribute, or possibly the AI declares on me and saves me the reputation hit. Or at worst, nothing). Quite often, I get tribute and can still declare war the next turn ...[/QUOTE]

yes, i think its new in BtS but not sure since i barely played civ before BtS^^

you still can get your tribute for a peace treaty after you've taken some cities and you may make good use of the time you buy (healing the units and bring them in position). another thing is that you have ten turns w/o war weariness

 

[carl corey]

This is a BtS thing. If you ask for tribute it's an automatic peace treaty. If someone asks you for tribute it's also an automatic peace treaty. Giving them something for free without them asking is not. This was done to prevent exactly the kind of behavior you're talking about: demanding something then attacking. Too bad they don't warn you in any way, I've reloaded a couple of times because I just forgot I demanded something 4-5 turns before attacking.

 

[6K Man]

This is a BtS thing. If you ask for tribute it's an automatic peace treaty. If someone asks you for tribute it's also an automatic peace treaty. Giving them something for free without them asking is not. This was done to prevent exactly the kind of behavior you're talking about: demanding something then attacking. Too bad they don't warn you in any way, I've reloaded a couple of times because I just forgot I demanded something 4-5 turns before attacking.

Thanks... if it's not too much to ask, can you let me know whether it's longer than 10 turns (i.e. 20 and 30) on Epic/Marathon?

 

[carl corey]

I think it's the duration of the normal Peace Treaty. I only play Normal speed nowadays, so I'm not sure how long that is on Epic/Marathon. On Normal it is the usual 10 turns.

 

[CivDude86]

Always 10 turns.

 

[xanadux]

This seems to allow an exploit ... you see your enemies troops amassing at the border, aren't quite ready for the attack, go demand something, 10 turns to prepare.

 

[LuckyAC]

Why would they give in to your demand if they had the tactical advantage?

 

[Desert-Fox]

It works only if you give him a tribute/help or if he agrees to give it to you... If he refuses then there will not peace treaty.

 

[Silence101]

I think it would cool if you could break peace treaties with a diplomatic penalty from all the other Civ's.

 

[GenocideBringer]

Hell no. Reminds me of Civ III where the best way to attack was to get a Right of passage agreement, bring your stack up to their city, and let loose.

 

[Silence101]

Hell no. Reminds me of Civ III where the best way to attack was to get a Right of passage agreement, bring your stack up to their city, and let loose.

I thought maybe you were responding to me, but I wasn't sure... in any case, your gripe doesn't sound like what I was talking about.

I'm all for the current way of having your units move outside the enemy boarder when war is delcared... that's only fair. What I was talking about is still being able to declare war during the 10 turn peace treaty agreement and getting a diplomatic penalty with all known Civ's. The current warfare rules would still apply, but you could basically go to war any time.