Peaceful Victory Thrawted by Industrial Age SoD

[Black_Waltz]

Thankyou very much for your kind and detailed comments. I've mannaged to advance up to Monarch now partly thanks to the advice here and partly through reading up on some of the blow by blow accounts of victories on these forums.

LionQ: Exactly right. Pretty much whenever I have a "Stop Trading with so-and-so" I'll refuse both, therefore getting a negative rep factor with both and remaining an outcast with both groups. I just don't like being mean to any civ. I want to be all their friends! However, I have tried the stratagy of differing camps and it seems to be working well.

Polycrates You meany! Stay away from my cities! The main thing I find it hard to do is I find it difficult to "Specialise" too much. I think "I really should have a library in this city" even if it is a few food resources and mined hills without a cottage in sight.

 

[LionQ]

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LionQ: Exactly right. Pretty much whenever I have a "Stop Trading with so-and-so" I'll refuse both, therefore getting a negative rep factor with both and remaining an outcast with both groups. I just don't like being mean to any civ. I want to be all their friends! However, I have tried the stratagy of differing camps and it seems to be working well.

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Nice, that's exactly the way it works; it's just like certain AI leaders tell you: "You should choose your sides carefully.". ;-)

 

[Stolen Rutters]

This is starting to make me cry. Earlier I quit the game I was playing when I got swamped by the AI early Industrial Age. Was going for cultural victory, ahead on tech, etc when suddenly a neighbour I've been trying to be friends with for the whole game decided he'd actually really like my land for his own.

Well, not to be detered I started another game. Played all through the night. I was Egyptians, Thebes became an immense wonder city, pumping out Great Leaders like sweeties, oodles of cash... Then the Ethopians decided to come visit me.

This is starting to become a trend so I'd quite like to know what I'm doing wrong. I'm quite aware that when the "Most Powerful Civ" leaderboard comes around I'm never on the list - is this the reason why I seem to be such a juicy target? Normally I try to have at least 3 defenders on my borders, one in my middle cities yet it still seems to be no deterrent.

I normally play Huge maps, Epic timeframe and I tend to enjoy builder a bit more then warmonger (you might never have guessed. )

Have way more units than that. Looks like you got the right advice, a peacemonger can't let his or her power score to get too low or they will be dogpiled. One unit per city and 3 at the border might work until 1000BC, but you need to get a higher and higher base number of units as the game moves on. Your main production city should be building the latest units more or less the whole time that you aren't improving your production buildings there. Build your peacenik library/bank/wonder stuff elsewhere.

 

[axident]

AIs are never friends, always potential enemies. Until you get to Friendly, you "try to be friends" with them all you want--they aren't. You said you "tried" to be friends but that's meaningless--were you definitely Friendly or merely Pleased, which is NOT the same thing as Friendly?

 

[axident]

Have way more units than that. Looks like you got the right advice, a peacemonger can't let his or her power score to get too low or they will be dogpiled. One unit per city and 3 at the border might work until 1000BC, but you need to get a higher and higher base number of units as the game moves on. Your main production city should be building the latest units more or less the whole time that you aren't improving your production buildings there. Build your peacenik library/bank/wonder stuff elsewhere.

In some circumstances you can. I've signed DP's with one of the world's largest army-holders and then let my own languish (though not to the point where I'm utterly defenseless.. just to the point where my once-world-leading power rating is now next to last). Don't do this with anyone who might willingly cancel the DP later or who is by nature aggressive (if they DoW on someone, it auto-cancels the DP). Cyrus is one of the best to do this with since he isn't very aggressive, is loyal, and his DP is good forever unless you screw things up somehow.