'Personhood' Ammendment in Mississippi

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  1. madviking

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    Wait, think of the economic destruction to such metropoli as Baton Rouge and New Orleans! :eek:

    I need a new plan.
     
  2. Warman17

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    And soon miscarriage will be neglectful manslaughter!
     
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    Another decree from the nanny state mandating universal health coverage. :rolleyes:
     
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    Still not too late for you to go Galt.
     
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    amadeus Gimme a C! A bouncy C!

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    The Objectivists are on their best days minarchists. No thanks!
     
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    If this passes and becomes law, will every miscarriage be investigated as a potential murder?
     
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    Of course.

    I wish it were possible to do that anyway. Pregnant women have NO excuse to expose their unborn children to such toxins.
     
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    Only some of the cases are involuntary manslaughter. A terrific number are manslaughter. The same type of manslaughter I'd suffer if I tossed my baby into a desert. Knowingly placing a live embryo into a menstrual pad is as deadly to it as exposing a baby on a mountainside.

    No problem, I think lots of people missed it because it was at the bottom of a page in a fast-moving thread.

    The point was that we cannot think of an embryo as a person, because we don't always treat its fruit as a person. My objection is that people insist that it's a person, the moral equivalent of an independent baby. But they're not, biologically and logically. As a result, this means its moral status is not the same either, and therefore it's okay to determine its moral status independently from that given to a baby.


    As a question to the legal-minded, how does proxy voting work in these states? If I'm the guardian of severely mentally disabled adult, is there a way to be allowed to vote for them?
     
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    Welcome to another abortion thread, and boy do we have a night for you. Back from their successful tour we give you, the Theocrat Triplets.

    Shoving nonsensical definitions down your screen like it's no one's business. Give 'em a round of applause! Take it away fellers
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    Aren't they great? And don't you worry, they're here ... always! For your entertainment, they'll don the dunce hat and do so with pride!

    See you all next abortion thread! I'm your host Ziggy Stardust wishing you all a splendid evening.

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    A lot of doctors now say it's OK for a pregnant woman to drink in moderation. Of course smoking is bad.

    I get frustrated with both sides of the abortion argument. I don't think it's just an attempt to control women's bodies, there are some very difficult questions about what constitutes a human life. On the other hand I think it's ridiculous to consider a fertilized egg a human life and can't understand at all why people would object to the morning after pill for example. A lot of people also have this idea that a woman should just "suffer" for the mistake of having unprotected sex. People on both sides should really try to be more reasonable.
     
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    Given that this is religiously-motivated, it would seem to be a violation of the First Amendment. Maybe those in favour should come and live in a country which actually has a state religion, rather than one prohibited from having one.
     
  12. Ziggy Stardust

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    This actually goes beyond that.
     
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    I don't think so. My brother is disabled and of voting age and if there was a way to have him vote, I have a feeling that my mom would know about it.
     
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    I completely agree with this and I am definitely no christian. Once you have unique DNA you exist.
     
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    I don't know why I have to keep explaining that abortion isn't a religious argument, but whatever. Go ahead and keep painting my abortion argument as some religious zealotry if that is the only way you you can go.

    Also, my post is rather odd taken out of context of what I was replying to...you know, the whole "Yay more reasons to laugh at rednecks and hicks" thing.
     
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    Fair enough, objection noted. But then I am a bit confused regarding your terminology. How can an embryo be 'innocent'? Innocence is certainly associated with thinking organisms (either in terms of naivety or in 'not-guilty' terms). A baby may be innocent, an accused can be innocent. They're different themes of the same word, but they're related.

    But can a rock be innocent? Can a fungus? Can a sperm? Can a baby chick be innocent, and what does that mean about a fertilized chicken egg?
     
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    Innocent as in it hasn't been convicted of a crime worthy of the death penalty.
     
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    I don't understand this interest in removing the religious dimension from the question of whether abortion should be allowed or not anyway. Of course, you don't necessarily have to be religious or Christian to think that abortion is murder, but it seems to me that Christians would think so because of their religious beliefs. For Christians to say otherwise would be an uncharacteristic denial of the centrality of their religious beliefs in their world view and would strike me as disingenuous. How do you abstract your beliefs from something that is so crucial to their formation?

    I mean, if they were to offer a secular argument for disallowing abortions, I might be willing to buy the notion. But what is that argument?
     

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