PFS02: Churchill of the English

Ad Hoc · Jun 10, 2008

Sorry for the delay but RL came up at bit me on monday but here we go.

The first order of bsuiness was to trade for Astronomy with Zara, Rammy had also left a worker outside Poly which i snapped up with a phant.

Rammies stack was still wandering around on the hills at Kish, i declined to attack on the hills and would wait until they reached level ground. i drafted a couple of redcoats in coventry and warwick

Rammy decided not to move to level ground but attack Kish, no losses left Rammy with only one grennie.

i made a trade for a little gold to Stalin, hopefully to improve our diplo

Rule 1 - Never trust Stalin.

and this little stack appears outside of our borders,

which subsequently landed this little stack.

Fortunately we'd moved a lot of defenders into Warwick and Stalins attack was easily repulsed with the loss of only one redcoat.

Stalin had enough at this point and made peace with a little bit of gold thrown in for good measure.

Sitting Bull had visited and offerd this trade, two redundant techs for chemisatry seemed okay so i made it.

Meanwhile i'd moved the force from Kish to attack Heliopolis, I'd upgraded one of the calvary to improve the visibilty and stopped when i saw this stack of Rammies defenders

this is where i stopped, moving the stack adjacent to heliopolis would see them decimated by those cannons and i'm at a loss with what to do next.

Ozbenno · Jun 10, 2008

I'll be able to download the save and have a look tomorrow.

Bindamel · Jun 12, 2008

[pholkhero]

Well, it's the wee hours of the morning in Oz-land, and we haven't heard from Ozbenno in 50+hours, so if you can post a got it before Ozbenno can post a played it, negy, I would say take it from Ad Hoc's save.

[/pholkhero]

Roster:

Quotey >> Back on deck
Bindamel >> Trying to help out the Pholkster
Ad Hoc >> Just played
pholkhero >> Busy spamming all of his games with OOP notices.
Ozbenno >> AWOL
negyvenketto >> UP-ish

Quotey · Jun 12, 2008

Don't worry, Bindamel, I'm sure it will work oot.

Of course, Sunday will be the earliest I can play, probably.

Can't open the save, how many horses do we have in the stack? I might just take the chance, if he does kill it, peace, and build up.

Ozbenno · Jun 12, 2008

I actually thought Ad Hoc was comtinuing and was looking for advice (which I forgot to look at the save and give). If I'm up I can play.

I was going to ask how many cavalry in the stack as well. If not many, I'd just head for his northern cities

Bindamel · Jun 12, 2008

Mea culpa for misunderstanding; and to be honest, Quotey, I don't really understand your "Don't worry" comment, so I'm batting o'fer here.

We have six cavalry, three in our attacking stack, two one turn away from Nibru to the north, and one one turn out of Polynesian to the southeast. I think with reinforcements brought in from Poly, we would have no problem decimating that garrison, but I leave that decision to the player.

As to who that is, I'm very :crazyeye:

I guess we could give Ad Hoc 24 to check in, and then Ozbenno take it if he doesn't.

Ad Hoc · Jun 13, 2008

i'll let Oz take it, RL is really beginning to cut into my Civ time,

i think there are also some phants that can be upgraded, we have a bit of cash but research is running at a hefty deficit

Ozbenno · Jun 13, 2008

I'll play tomorrow if Ad Hoc doesn't chime in before then.

EDIT: Nice xposting, I'll play tomorrow.

Ozbenno · Jun 14, 2008

I downloaded the save and had a look. Basically this game is toast. Do we want to wave the white flag or is anyone interested in seeing it out?

Seeing that Ramesses will have Railroad (and machine guns) in 12 turns, which would take us 192 turns at our current (deficit) research shows the way. We don't have the troops to do anything about it.

Quotey · Jun 14, 2008

By Don't Worry, I guess I hadn't noticed the Railroad thing.

Good lord.

Anyone willing to try swerving the stack round to Ethiopia, diplo partener be damned?

But really, the situation is EXTREMELY bleak. Anyone willing to do a post mortem while waiting for Pholk?

Bindamel · Jun 14, 2008

I say let it sit until Pholk can come back and decide, it is his game, after all. I assume we'll want to do something with the lose in style thing.

Post-mortem, I'd be interested in talking about what went wrong; not to point out anyone's play specifically, as I don't think there were any fully :smoke:

turnsets, but what could have been done better? For me, I felt like this game never had any super-specialized cities, for commerce, hammers, or food. Dotmapping this game seemed especially difficult, as if all the cities we were founding were just "okay".

negyvenketto · Jun 14, 2008

I don't think this game is totally hopeless. Rammy would offer 1100 gold for peace right now. If we take it, could make DP with Zara for safety, deficit research Steel and start again with cannons.

pholkhero · Jun 17, 2008

The pholkhero hiatus

that notwithstanding, i haven't had much of a chance to check out this game for a WHILE! Obviously, i'm in no position to tell you to press on or end it. If you think it's toast, then let's let it die.

also, re: the PFS series: i am putting Ozbenno "in charge" (he doesn't know yet) of the series. if he has the time, then feel free to continue. otherwise, I'd prefer it if the series held up until i come back in a month or two. other than that ~

until next time . . .

Grimz101 · Jun 21, 2008

are you guys gonna wait like 2 months till pholk comes back :sad:

?
Or do me proud and win

Quotey · Jun 22, 2008

Turn 1 (419)

We take a goddamn ton of damage from the cannons. They start withdrawing after the third.

I also switch research to Steel as if we'll get it.

So he uses up all his cannons right? And then I kill the leftovers, k?

We also got a Prophet- I settle him in London.

Turn 2 (420)

Good lord, I almost have a heart attack as our medic is selected to defend. But he wins against a grenadier.

Turn 4 (423)

The megastack is gathered and is healing. I haven't drafted any Redcoats but I should have.

Turn 7 (426)

Gilgamesh declares war. Oh god save us from the 2 ice cities.

Turn 12 (431)

Take Memphis.

Anyone else want to continue? Please look at the save. I think we can hit Thebes, and then AS MANY CITIES as possible.

The thing is... Machine Guns next turn. I might play som more, so post a got it if you want to play some. I'd say this is open to ANYONE in the absence of Pholk, but if the real members oppose this, just say.

Bindamel · Jun 22, 2008

I think that's fine, Quotey. Without looking at the save, I'd say it sounds like a job well done. I may pick it up myself, but will post a got it first if I do.

Sort of Roster:

Ad Hoc -- Set up the pins for Quotey
Quotey -- Knocked 'em down

Haven't played in a bit, so free to take a turnset. Please just post a got it first:

Bindamel
negyvenketto
pholkhero
Ozbenno

negyvenketto · Jun 22, 2008

negyvenketto said:
I don't think this game is totally hopeless. Rammy would offer 1100 gold for peace right now. If we take it, could make DP with Zara for safety, deficit research Steel and start again with cannons.

Quotey said:
Turn 12 (431)

Take Memphis.

I feel this situation is not as good as it could have been. Why didn't you considered peace I mentioned. With the 1100!!!! gold we could have deficit researched Steel in reasonable time. Now it would take some 139 turns! :gripe:

Rammy would offer now only 140 gold + Giza.
You should have mentioned Zara is in war with Rammy now.
And you didn't captured Memphis but Alexandria.

negyvenketto · Jul 5, 2008

Ozbenno said:
Basically this game is toast. Do we want to wave the white flag or is anyone interested in seeing it out?

Seeing that Ramesses will have Railroad (and machine guns) in 12 turns, which would take us 192 turns at our current (deficit) research shows the way. We don't have the troops to do anything about it.

I continued from Ad Hoc's save. Take peace with Rammy for 1100 gold and researched Steel. I got cannons on the same turn as he got MGs.
Redeclared on Egypt add took the 3 main cities.
Now he is ready to be vassalized.

Anyone interested to continue? This definitely isn't a toast.

Bindamel · Jul 5, 2008

Nicely played, negy. It's amazing how powerful cannons are. Did you see a lot of Machine Guns? I'm wondering if taking his gold also prevented him from a lot of upgrading.

Sort of Roster:

Quotey -- Pressed the war on Ramesses
negyvenketto -- Did it his way :lol:

Haven't played in a bit, so free to take a turnset. Please just post a got it first. Note that you now have a choice of saves to play! :crazyeye:

Bindamel
pholkhero
Ozbenno
Ad Hoc

negyvenketto · Jul 5, 2008

I could see something like 2MGs/city.
The war between Zara and Rammy helped, too. It burned most of his cannons

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