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Pholkhero Flavor Series: Charlemagne of the Holy Romans

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by pholkhero, Jan 10, 2008.

  1. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    I think we should have settled for copper once BW was in as we need to do some violent expansion but no biggie.
     
  2. Quotey

    Quotey Emperor

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    We did settle for copper. Blue dot ended up having copper 1W of it, Prague is there now.
     
  3. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    OK, sorry about that :blush: , without the piccies I struggle to keep up with all those colours :lol:

    That was absolutely the right thing to do. We need copper more than anything else at the moment.
     
  4. pholkhero

    pholkhero Deviant Mind

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    bindamel? got it??
     
  5. Bindamel

    Bindamel Call me Bindy - mel

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    Yep.

    I haven't looked at anything yet, but I'm assuming the primary motivation is building axes?
     
  6. Bindamel

    Bindamel Call me Bindy - mel

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    So, I haven't actually played, but I did tool around in the save for about half an hour last night.

    I also reinstalled Bhruic's and BUG, and this time I think left myself setup to easily change back to HoF when I want to.

    The road between the cities is going to take some time to get, so my options are, BTS quest style:

    1) We need that road! (workers in both cities, once Prague hits size two)
    2) Don't let that Wang anywhere near our virgin lands! (build a settler in the capital while the road completes with our current and soon to be built workers)
    3) We want a free tech! (Priesthood in 9, Oracle in capital with lots of forest available for chopping, if desired, but this would slow down the road build)
    4) We'd like a free tech, but we'll take the cash! (Priesthood in 9, Oracle without chops, road still gets built at two worker speed.)
    5) Flavor Time! (We do need to build the city walls in the capital eventually.)

    I'm leaning towards 4, while building Oracle and the road we could get writing and have CoL available for Oracle, or we have masonry, I think, so would writing and math could get us construction on the way to engineering, and open up forest chops for the rush. Pottery might be the only tech we need to open up metal casting, which also leads to engineering.

    I'll probably be playing about 12 hours from now.
     
  7. pholkhero

    pholkhero Deviant Mind

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    oracle>CoL would be real GREAT for us :goodjob: do we really think this is feasible?? can we build a settler while we wait for priesthood, and then go right for the oracle with some chops??
     
  8. pholkhero

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    also, we DO need some GProphet points to get our shrine going for more income to feed more expansion, so we should remember this as well.
     
  9. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    We should also remember we have already built Stonehenge for this purpose :mischief:

    I would focus on settlers and axes. We need Col in any case so Priesthood isn't a bad tech and if Oracle is a quick build, may as well have a go but I wouldn't focus too much effort into it.
     
  10. Bindamel

    Bindamel Call me Bindy - mel

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    I played to turn 100, which was about 20. I wanted to play more :)

    Starting the turnset, I noticed:



    Thats a 5 :food:, 1 :hammers:, 1 :commerce: tile with a farm, so I made that the workers' first priority.

    I put the available warriors on fogbusting duty to protect both Prague and the worker connecting the two cities. I put the other worker prechopping, although as it worked out, Writing is in 7, and Oracle in 8, so no chopping possible. Once Prague got to size three, I started it on a worker.

    I also put a turn into walls for Aachen while waiting for Priesthood to finish. One more turn will finish it. I have not revolted to slavery yet, it will become useful once the copper is hooked up, though.

    The Great Wall was built in 1625 B.C. in a not-so-distant land:



    The last two screenies show Aachen and Prague. I highlighted the lowlight of the turnset on the Aachen shot.


     

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  11. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Nice work Bindy. And thanks Wangy for getting us a jumbo city.

    [rant]

    What is our plan here? I thought we were going to axe rush someone or go REX crazy :mischief:

    If we are going to rush someone (ie Wang), how are we going to do it and with what. If we're going to REX, let's get REXing. We'll end up dithering along unless we have a clear plan of attack (or non-attack as the case may be).

    This is supposed to be a game highlighting the strengths of Charlemange and the two options mentioned above are his strengths, a low cost courthouse means you can expand (peacefully or not) quickly. We ain't expanding here.

    [/rant]
     
  12. pawelo

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    Perfectly agreed with the ranting bird of wisdom :p

    We do have land to expand peacefully - no need to rush Wang. Let's Rex (and annex Wang with Landsgrmdbchskltz stuff of Charly).
     
  13. Bindamel

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    I agree with Ozbenno, even if it doesn't show from my turns. ;)

    Part of the problem is that connecting copper to the capital is a slow process, with a lot of slow-roading desert tiles. My turns felt like marathon speed; three turns to farm the wheat, about 25 worker-turns spent on the road, and still not finished, a couple more turns working on replacing the lost pasture. That's why I started the worker in Prague once it hit size three (should have done it at size two probably, but didn't think of it until it was almost three.)

    I agree with REXing here, and we could chop a ton of settlers in the capital. If that's the plan, I would recommend math next.

    I'm not good at figuring these things out (You there, Greyfox?), but you could probably chop a settler and still get the Oracle out around the same time using the prechopped forests I left.
     
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    :lol:
    Mandays variant :D
     
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    I'm for rexing like mad, we can get 10/12 cities with no problem, axes for defence should ensure we won't get attacked and plenty of workers to improve the terrain.
     
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    another vote for Rexing our brains out :hammer2:

    expand like mad, have at least one, maybe 2 cities, dedicated to cranking out settlers nonstop for a bit. Once we've stretched our economy *almost* to the breaking point (10% sci slider?), we focus on economy and righting our empire.

    We even get a bonus on the trees w/o maths if they're applied to settlers (same with whips) so we should keep that in mind, and all chops/whips should go into settlers ~ let's get them cranking!

    Then some smashy-smashy to get ourselves a nice large empire on this continent :hammer: good plan??

    Roster:
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  17. pawelo

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    Gotcha!

    Looks like all my SGs align themselves one after another - full week of playing :crazyeye:
     
  18. Ozbenno

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    Now we're talking! Let's get rexing. I'll feel less inclined to rant :lol:
     
  19. pawelo

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    After some ranting (well placed and reasonable ranting) I think we are off the way.

    101
    We are the 5th more advanced, and it'll only get worse with Rexing :D
    Well, Wang is behind ;)

    102
    Prague is finally connected (after 27 mandays of worker labour :lol:)

    IBT
    One of our fogbusters defends well against a barb warrior

    106
    The turn of truth.

    First of all, I notice we are still not in Slavery - I'll revolt to is as soon as we get the Oracle.
    Also, we aren't in Christ state religion :nono: I'll convert asap.

    On the other hand, Christ hits Prague :cool:

    107



    I started a settler to get the chop bonus coming our way.
    As there was no religion consensus on what to choose I decided to



    I find it cool to have the same civ founding Christ and Mahomet :)culture: making this world a better place to live :culture:) - add flava to Charly!

    Prague is the Holy City, of course, which will help some border wars too.

    Switching to Christianity for one turn of anarchy.

    108

    Spread Islam in Aachen
    Revolt once again to Slavery this time

    109

    First winning whip goes in Prague : worker :whipped:

    110

    Worker - Rathaus (until pop3) in Prague
    We get one chop on a settler in Aachen

    111

    I decide to get the settler :whipped: too - we need to box our countryside
    Also, one more chop on the following settler in Aachen, and we need this hill to get mined too btw.

    112

    Settler - Settler in Aachen
    Dispatch the party for the Yellow dot.

    113

    Asoka, who just founded Juda, adopts OR
    I sign OB with Monty and refuse it to Wang - no need to see his settlers cross our lands.

    114

    Someone manages a very early GP, without the Henge. My civ-sensing nose thinks we may have an Egyptian fellow hidden in the shodows

    115

    Copper connected
    Still no settler coming out of Pyongyang - we have a real chance to get both boxing cities

    116

    Settler done in Aachen - it was fast - he is awaiting orders on the road 2 NW of the capital.

    Also, got this lovely event:



    It felt like a good moment to stop and relax.

    So what's up ?
    Here are the settlers:



    Yellow-spot guy can found Vienna on the next turn, the southern one still has one movement point to go this turn. He should make to a fine spot in three/four turns, slightly more if he waits for an escort.

    We should discuss the north of Aachen second boxing city placement. I think red is nice, but would rather make it coastal.

    We will get Pottery and start cottaging soon enough to get our eco online while rexing.

    Two reminders:
    - Don't forget to switch Prague from Rathaus to Settler in two turns (on pop3) so that we get the best of the ongoing chop and box Wang even more by the same occasion
    - Don't forget to build an axe or two, just in case Wang starts feeling claustrophobic

    I would love to convert Wang to Christ before Asoka does it, still it will be hard as the latter has OR...
     
  20. Ozbenno

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    I'm liking it!

    Maybe a city two north of the cows, north of the capital is the way to go. I think the red Ad Hoc Dot is too close to Wangster now. We should look of cities to the west of yellow dot as well, closing of the continent to Monty and settling gradually south of that, while annexing Korea.

    Anyone fancy a stroll down Mathematics/Construction lane?
     

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