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pineappledan's Building Tweaks

Discussion in 'Mods Repository' started by pineappledan, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. pineappledan

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    Reworks the 4 existing power plant buildings, and adds a 5th: the Tidal plant.
    • All power plants now require Factory (previously, only Solar and Nuclear did)
    • Power plants now offer total tile coverage. Now coastal and tundra cities will have power plant options besides the Nuclear
    • Nuclear plant stays as an option with no terrain augmentation, offering greater GP generation and a higher base production instead. Great for a city focused on engineer/scientist specialists, and with strong :c5production: potential from infrastructure, wonders, and specialists.
    • Solar plant re-focused to no longer be a copy of the nuclear plant with no uranium requirement. Now focuses on high production on landlocked and desert cities.

    Power Plant details. Changes in Bold
    • Hydro Plant (Requires 1 Aluminum, City must be on a River):
      • 2 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +10 :c5production:
      • +3:c5production:3:c5gold:3:c5food: to River and Lake tiles
      • :c5production: Production yield conversion for all processes in this city increased to 33%
    • Wind Plant (Requires 1 Aluminum):
      • 2 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +10 :c5production:
      • +1 :c5production:1:c5culture: to All tiles (grassland/plains/desert/tundra/snow/coast/ocean)
      • :c5production: Production yield conversion for all processes in this city increased to 33%
    • Nuclear Plant (Requires 1 Uranium):
      • 2 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +20 :c5production:, +33%:c5production:
      • On Completion, 5% of the :c5production: Cost of Buildings are converted into :c5greatperson:GEngineer and :c5greatperson:GScientist points
      • :c5production: Production yield conversion for all processes in this city increased to 33%
    • Solar Plant (Requires 1 Aluminum, City must be on or next to Desert):
      • 2 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +10 :c5production:, +10%:c5production:
      • +3:c5production:3:c5science: to Desert tiles
      • +1:c5production:1:c5science: to Non-Desert Land tiles (grassland/plains/tundra/snow)
      • :c5production: Production yield conversion for all processes in this city increased to 33%

    • Tidal Plant (Requires 1 Aluminum, City must be on Coast)
      • Unlocked at Ecology (same tech as Solar Plant)
      • 2 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +10 :c5production:
      • +2:c5production:2:c5science:2:c5gold:2:c5food: to Coast and Ocean tiles
      • :c5production: Production yield conversion for all processes in this city increased to 33%
    The mod also includes tweaks/reworks for:
    • Agribusiness (removes Farming Process boost)
    • Brandenburg Gate (replaces free GGeneral with a free building and makes trained unit XP global)
    • Terracotta Army (slightly increases yields on kill)
    Credits:
    Tidal Turbine icon - Scottish Energy Industries Council
     

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    Last edited: Nov 25, 2019
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  2. pineappledan

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    V2 Update: Process modifiers are live! Added +8% to all processes to all powerplants (ie. powerplants increase process yield conversion from 25%:c5production: to 33%:c5production:)

    The mod now also reworks some non-powerplant buildings and wonders.
    Agribusiness:
    Removed +15% Farming Process modifier
    The Agribusiness' process bonus got in the way of the Powerplants' across-the-board bonus

    Brandenburg Gate:
    Removed the Free Great General on Construction
    Added Free Military Academy on Construction
    Increased XP to all units trained in City from 15 XP to 25 XP
    There are 2 other buildings that give free Great Generals (Great Wall & Heroic Epic), so it wasn't a unique bonus. The free 15 XP was very low considering Armories give 20XP and Military Academies give 25 XP. The combination of a free Military Academy and increase to 25XP Gives Brandenburg a more unique niche as the pure unit training military wonder.

    Pentagon:
    Removed the +1 copy of all existing military units bonus
    Added Free Military Base and 5 Special Forces units on construction
    The +1 copy of all military units you already posses is a carbon-copy of the Terracotta Army's bonus. At this late stage in the game, this will often result in many free copies of obsolete/useless units that need to be upgraded or deleted. The military base is unlocked 1 tech after the Pentagon, and Special forces are unlocked 2 tech levels after Pentagon. The combined :c5production:production value of these free bonuses is 7250:c5production:. Very much worth the price. Special Forces can be quickly re-deployed to the front-lines, so there is no danger of being bogged down in cumbersome micromanagement after you get 10+ garbage units and 5 useful ones from a late-game Terracotta bomb.
     
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  3. Padre19

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    Where we find this update ? The files attached in the first post are not updated.
     
  4. Padre19

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    version 2 has sql errors...
     
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    The wind plant doesn't boost processes in the OP, is that correct?
    I was reading some discussion of tile balance the other day and I did think that coast/sea tiles do get very weak. The Tidal Plant is probably a good idea independent of the other changes. Where did you get that picture by the way?

    Your changes to the military wonders are very sensible.
     
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    I like the Pentagon change, as having two Wonders that do the exact same thing just feels off.

    BUT, I've never liked the Terra Cotta Army effect to begin with--it is fun, but it is extremely exploitable. When I'm building TCA, I look at what units I've haven't built yet, and try to get all of those units built a turn or two before the TCA is finished; this is a major advantage for the human vs. AI, who can not exploit the effect in the same way. Having TWO Wonders with such an exploit is mad, but I'd prefer zero to even one.

    Have you considered changing the TCA at all? Adding science and culture every time a unit is built, or kills another unit, or something like that?
     
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    I will leave that up to @Gazebo to play with. The community is very protective of early game wonders because they are more thoroughly tested, people are more familiar with them, and there are better-defined strategies/techprogressions/build orders that rely on those wonders. I’m not really interested in opening up that Pandora’s box and inciting a backlash. With this mod, I aimed at late-game buildings because those are still very much in flux, and suggesting alternatives for their current, base VP function is relatively uncontroversial.

    For instance, between the GWall and BBurgGate, I actually think GWall is the better candidate for having its GGeneral removed, since the Heroic Epic comes in the same era, and does the same thing. I don’t think VP has really gotten around to interrogating what, exactly, the BBurg gate should be in VP.

    I should make a post about BBurg, GWall, and HEpic; I actually have a lot of thoughts on them
     
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    Hi, I am playing 10-23 4UC and some other mods as Japan. Built BBurgGate it didn't give Military Academy
     
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    Could you specify what building this is?
     
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    I believe it's a free Military Academy.
     
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    Very nice! I'd vote for this to be incorporated in VP proper, though personally I'd probably mod it to remove the Wind Plant yield boost on ocean, as you can't build those things too far from the coast and it'd just feel weird.
     
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    While I agree in theory, being able to say “all tiles”, and having a full tile coverage option is too attractive, more than worth a little unreality.

    im wondering if the yield types and amounts are reasonable for each plant type? Maybe a 3/2/2 tile yield is more reasonable for hydro and solar? I’m sure @BiteInTheMark has an opinion for us.
     
  16. BiteInTheMark

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    Well done, but I think I would stick with my mentioned idea of 2 layers of power plants. (The idea with the tidal plant is great, with all that buffs to land improvements, that sea tiles got really worthless)


    • ----- Plants exclude each other, construction cost reduced to 2/3, no building or ressource required ----
    • Auqatic Industries (unlocked at Refrigeration, Maintenance increased to 14):
      • 1 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +5% :c5production:/:c5science:/:c5food:
      • +2:c5production:2:c5science:2:c5food: to River and Lake tiles
      • Process conversion rate increased by 5%
    • Onshore Energy Parks (unlocked at Computers, Maintenance increased to 14):
      • 1 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +5% :c5production:/:c5science:/:c5gold:
      • +1 :c5production:1:c5science:1:c5gold: to All tiles (grassland/plains/desert/tundra/snow)
      • Process conversion rate increased by 5%
    • Offshore Investments (unlocked at Electronics, Maintenance increased to 14)
      • 1 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +5% :c5food:/:c5gold:
      • +1:c5production::c5science::c5gold::c5food: to Coast and Ocean tiles
      • Process conversion rate increased by 5%
    • ----- Plants exclude each other, construction cost reduced to 2/3, needs factory and a ressource to be build ------
    • Nuclear Plant (unlocked at Nuclear Fission, Needs 1 Uranium):
      • 1 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +25 :c5production:, +25%:c5production:
      • +3 :c5greatperson: for Engineer and Scientist
      • Process conversion rate increased by 5%
    • Solar Plant (unlocked at Ecology, Needs 1 Aluminum):
      • 1 Specialist no longer produces :c5unhappy:Urbanization Unhappiness.
      • +10% :c5production:/:c5science:/:c5gold:
      • +3 :c5greatperson: for Engineer and Scientist
      • Process conversion rate increased by 5%
     
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    I think the current pictures still fit the new names, but the old names could also simply stay, and ok.
    It was simply a bit strange for me that a hydro plant or tidal plant are improving the food generation in an area, while those are normally only generating electrical power. But I like to stay with those yields.

    Another idea I have for those tile improvement plants, make them like Caravansery or Machu Picchu. (get the bonus for chosen tiles without necessarily working them)
    I would prefer the first version, cause it makes citizens working normal tiles more worth, which I like. But they could also give for example:
    For Tidal Plant: +1:c5production::c5science::c5gold::c5food: for every coast and ocean tile within 3 tiles of the city

    It would make those buildings more attractive even for small cities with a lot of specialists, but would make them also a bit to no brainer. To solve this, the former requirement for aluminium could be reintroduced.

    Please dont think that I dislike your proposal, I think its better than the current VP solution, but I think those are still a bit too strong. Its your ModMod, and I simply said my opinion, up to you what you do with it. :)
     
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    Caravansary requires you to work the actual tiles. It's only machu picchu and observatories that work that way, because the code only looks for mountains, and having a code that loops through every workable tile looking for 1 of many feature/improvement/etc. types is too much computation. The code currently ONLY looks for mountains.
    A stable, consistent and plentiful source of electricity is required in almost everything we do these days. In my own region, farmers are up in arms because a carbon tax would raise the price of running the massive heaters they use to dry their produce after it has been harvested. Any of the tile yields are appropriate because any human work is enhanced by access to electricity.

    I wanted to put :c5culture: on 1-2 of the plants as well, but thought that would simply make those too powerful/hard to balance. Maybe the wind plant could be changed to 1:c5production:1:c5culture:, but meh.
    All the plants in my modmod currently require aluminum
     
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    Thats what the description say, but this isnt true. A conversation with one of the developers lead to the result, that the Caravansery works like Machu Pichhu, you dont have to work the tiles to get the benefit.

    To reduce the computing time, you could set the resulting number to the maximum number of tiles (36) and simply subtract the ocean, coast and sea tiles, so you would need only to ask for 3 types of terrain. And cause the terrain never change, would it be really necessary to ask every turn for it or just simply ask for a variable after the construction?
    Its only by my own flavor, but nothing important for me, if it would stay as it is, its fine.
    Even small tradition empires earn several thousands of culture per turn in the lategame, I dont think it would be too powerful. I think giving the Onshore/Wind Plant the culture would make sense, cause like it is here in Germany, rising the appearance of renewable energies is also a cultural transforming process.

    For the Tidal Power Plant, you could consider doing the Caravansery stuff, cause unless you have Imperialism and/or Centaur Extractors, sea tile could be still too weak, even with a buff from the building.
    This or a small buff to every ocean tile like +1:c5food::c5gold: and another +2:c5production::c5science::c5gold: for any sea ressource. Only some ideas, if you lack some. :)
     

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