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Plans/strategy for t113-t150

Discussion in 'Team CivFanatics' started by 2metraninja, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    So, here is a thread to propose and discuss our strategy and tech path in the next few tens of turns after we had nominally won the war with Spaniards.
     
  2. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    Let me post the first strategy I was thinking for some time. Lets call it CS-NAT-TAJ

    Column 1
    turn tech ready bpt gpt g. res
    97 55 94
    98 60 149
    99 65 209
    100 70 274
    101 70 344
    102 180 -80 414 academy, Indira 60bpt
    103 180 -80 334
    104 180 -80 254
    105 currency 720 180 -80 174
    106 100 94
    107 100 194
    108 100 294
    109 265 -80 394
    110 Aesthetics 540 265 -80 314
    111 265 -80 234
    112 Literature 380 265 -80 154
    113 100 74
    114 100 174
    115 265 -120 274
    116 CoL 630 265 -120 154
    117 120 34
    118 120 154
    119 120 274
    120 120 394
    121 300 -120 514
    122 300 -120 394
    123 Metal Casting 810 300 -120 274
    124 300 240 154 failgold from Nat Epic
    125 Alphabet 540 300 -120 394
    126 120 274
    127 -120 394
    128 120 274
    129 120 394
    130 120 514
    131 Bulb CS to 1140 300 -120 634
    132 Meditation 144 300 -120 514
    133 Bulb Philo 300 -120 394
    134 1000 -120 274
    135 300 -120 154
    136 300 34
    137 0 120 34
    138 0 120 154
    139 400 -120 274
    140 400 -120 154
    141 400 -120 34
    142 Nat 3240 150 -86
    143 150 64
    144 150 214
    145 150 364
    146 150 514
    147 150 664
    148 400 -150 814
    149 400 -150 664
    150 Machinery 1260 400 -150 514
    151 400 -150 364
    152 Feudalism 1260 400 -150 214 Taj - GA


    Note that I put down those numbers some 15-20 turns ago - at turn 96 and some things are way off (mostly because of the war) but as general idea, the strategy is still good.
     
  3. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    The next is called CS+LIB->NAT

    Column 1
    turn tech ready bpt gpt g. res
    97 55 94
    98 60 149
    99 65 209
    100 70 274
    101 70 344
    102 180 -80 414 academy, Indira 60bpt
    103 180 -80 334
    104 180 -80 254
    105 currency 720 180 -80 174
    106 100 94
    107 100 194
    108 100 294
    109 265 -80 394
    110 Aesthetics 540 265 -80 314
    111 265 -80 234
    112 Literature 380 265 -80 154
    113 100 74
    114 100 174
    115 265 -120 274
    116 CoL 630 265 -120 154
    117 120 34
    118 120 154
    119 120 274
    120 120 394
    121 300 -120 514
    122 300 -120 394
    123 Metal Casting 810 300 -120 274
    124 300 240 154 failgold from Nat Epic
    125 Alphabet 540 300 -120 394
    126 120 274
    127 -120 394
    128 120 274
    129 120 394
    130 120 514
    131 Bulb CS to 1140 300 -120 634 1 GM
    132 Meditation 144 300 -120 514
    133 Bulb Philo 300 -120 394 1 GS
    134 Paper 1080 1000 -120 274
    135 300 -120 154
    136 300 34
    137 0 120 34
    138 0 120 154
    139 400 -120 274
    140 400 -120 154
    141 Bulb rest of Education 3240 400 -120 34 1 GS
    142 150 -86 1 GS
    143 400 150 64
    144 Bulb Lib, take Nationalism 400 -150 214
    145 150 64
    146 150 214
    147 150 364
    148 400 -150 514
    149 400 -150 364
    150 400 -150 214
    151 400 -150 64
    152 400 -150 -86 Taj - GA??
     
  4. YossarianLives

    YossarianLives Deity

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    I think Poly or RB can beat us to Lib by a mile, so we probably shouldn't count on that. I like the CS - NAT - Taj plan a lot, except I'd want to slip in the rest of Calendar somewhere there. We'll need the extra happy if we're leaving HR. Maybe after Lit or CoL?
     
  5. Maga_R

    Maga_R Has quit civ

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    I also have not much hope we can beat RB to liberalism. What do we think RB would be aiming to get from liberalism? Our chance could be that they will be aiming for some very costly technology so we cab have a chance for taking something cheaper. But as experienced MP players and superb demo hackers they probably have a good idea what is a realistic date for liberalism being researched by another team. BTW, how accurately gpt is estimated?
     
  6. vranasm

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    when in race Nationalism is very obvious choice especially if you have marble...and if I remember right we kinda promised them marble...

    maybe the turn they want marble from us would tell us at what turn they want to finish Lib->Nat
     
  7. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    Absolutely vague at the time when this was made. However, you can see how the plans start from t97 and move on in the last 15 turns and judge how much they represent the real situation.
     
  8. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    Very good input, vranasm. I never thought about RB, marble and Taj. Good food for thoughts. So, we tell them they can have it from t130 to t140 then? :) Beside this fits best in our own plans, as a side effect, this will delay their Epics the most and we will have our Marble to use for Taj ourselves.
     
  9. vranasm

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    there is couple of uknowns... i don't read everything and don't have ingame overview, but would be good to check how many great persons RB already generated, who won Music race.

    In Ntt games timing is slower then tech trade games, but I can imagine with some strong GPP hunt they can have Education by early AD's.

    Who won MoM? if RB gets MoM, taj they can chain for like 30-40 turns GA's easilly.

    taj is just a thought, they could use marble for MoM obviously too... and MoM is hell of strong wonder... the only reason it's not built in SP regularly is that it's on dead end tech which you want to trade for and AI usually prioritizes it themself
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    as per our plans... I am kinda confused with the planned CS bulb? it's from GM? Dunno if we can make trade mission instead...
    there is tons of beakers wasted probably... Don't like bulbing CS at all.
     
  10. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    The had only one - a single Great Prophet so far. They are obviously after GS this time so they can have their academy.

    CivFR got MoM. We were aimed ourselves to get it too just before the Spaniards attacked us and we had good chances to get it btw. Dont know what took RB so long to build it as I think they were first to Calendar.

    This one I think we can count for RB. But who knows - French can surprise the world once again.
     
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    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    Speaking of Frenches, I think they got Temple of Artemis this turn. 2 Marble wonders in short time period... They must have Marble and stable borders I think.
     
  12. vranasm

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    maybe a bit more on the "why not CS bulb"... we actually can use the GM for golden age... we can compare the amount of commerce + GPPs we gain through GA x the bulb of CS...

    with the empire the size we have I would be very surprised if we won't end ahead with running GA instead of bulbing the CS...

    trade mission should be something like 900-1100 gold which is ??? 100% research = ? beakers too...
     
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    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    The cool thing in this plan is that it puts big amount of beakers overflow towards Nationalism and we can get it with surprise before anyone see it is coming.

    Other than that, I like trade missions too. And the Golden Age will be there for us to fire it when we want it. With our SPI trait, National Epic, our Astan city and Pacifism, it is a matter or 4-5 turns to get the next GP and launch a GA.
     
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    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    I had very good chat with Bistrita where we discussed our short terms goals. I think it is quite self-explanatory and full of good ideas. Read and comment please, we really need a destination after the Spanish fly.

     
  15. SilentConfusion

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    We are SPI, right, so revolts don't happen for us?

    Overall I like the thinking in that chat and it helps me to get an idea of where we might be in the future.
     
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    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    We still need to wait 5 turns between civics switch.
     
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    Forgot that. Thanks for reminding me.
     
  18. YossarianLives

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    That is an awesome chat. Thank you for sharing. I feel like my Civ skills kicked up a notch just from reading that.

    I agree with this 100%

    Skip TGLib, forget about the Spaniards another 15 turns (just build enough cats to defend against their next push), switch into Rep & Caste (we built the 'Mids for a reason), and push out a huge tech lead to roll over the Spaniards with maces and cats. They can't tech, they can't expand, they don't have enough pop to keep up with even just a few of our cities building units. We just need to keep patient, swat the fly away whenever they make incursions into our borders, and take them out when it will be nice and easy.
     
  19. RegentMan

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    Sounds good to me Yoss.
     
  20. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    We dont need anymore offensive units really. We can keep the Spanish at bay indefinitely by just building Cats. 2metra will remember a pitboss when I kept his better Army at bay and kept my backwards Civ in the game for centuries past when I should be dead by just building nothing but Catapults:lol: He had Knights and eles, and Muskets, even Rifles for a while and he couldnt attak because I had huge stack of Cats...

    I lost eventually of course:), but the point is if we go defensive and economic, and just forget about conquering SpAp for now, we can get the tech advantage and roll over them with ease in 15-20 turns, doubling our land, and then maybe they have more developed cities with higher population, more buildings, improvements, roads... Plus we will have a stronger economy to support all the new cities. If we invade now we will just have to Raze, raze raze.
     

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