Plans w Jayne 1000AD

[GaryNemo]

GaryNemo (10:01 AM) :
Have several minutes? We could wrap up this CFC 940AD Plan for Octavian X
Jayne (10:01 AM) : Yes, I have time

GaryNemo (10:02 AM) :
I'd like to go thru my list of riffraff, but first, the Trireme.
Can we pick up the Dip AND the GG Warrior, ok? then to Bactra. Then East CoastLine.
Jayne (10:03 AM) :
yes. that's fine. (Sorry, keep forgetting about the warrior!)
Jayne (10:04 AM) :
we need to make sure all land tiles are sailed past to reveal as much info about city, roads, irrigation as possible
GaryNemo (10:04 AM) :
Yes, map the coast, and all inland tiles.

Now the list. Viking immediate plan, per my recent post in 940AD?
With MonkE's idea to move Viborg Phx E onto Forest? Looks good to me.
Jayne (10:04 AM) : I agree

GaryNemo (10:05 AM) :
Rebuild the lost Caravel? I don't see how to do it at the moment...
... York Downs!
York Downs: Finish Settler, then Trireme or Temple, not sure which first.
Jayne (10:06 AM) :
May be difficult now. Anyway, it was exploring the spanish area and we probably want to avoid them for a bit
GaryNemo (10:07 AM) :
We need to equip Caravels with Dip Captains, send one West, One East, ASAP.
Jayne (10:07 AM) :
I'd personally go with Temple in YD because of the black people
GaryNemo (10:08 AM) :
Yes, YD: Settler, then Temple, that will take a month.
Jayne (10:08 AM) : I agree about the caravels
GaryNemo (10:08 AM) :
Your Bactra Job will have Dip Captain, it loops island then heads East.
Jayne (10:09 AM) :
If we use a dip to subvert, we maybe need to build a replacement dip asap and carry on sailing. That's what I was thinking with Cadiz and Bactra
GaryNemo (10:09 AM) :
Subvert if its a remaining city of a small island, yes.
West: LC Caraval near Lahore, back for Dip, then heads to Wild West.
Jayne (10:10 AM) : Yes, keep the other dip for indian ferry
GaryNemo (10:10 AM) : Dip lands in India? I don't think so.
Jayne (10:11 AM) : sorry, meant ship!!

GaryNemo (10:11 AM) : Yes. For a Dip Captain, here's an idea
Spare Dip at TFalls. Shuffle West to GG, GG Dip to LC, LC Dip to LC Trireme.
Jayne (10:12 AM) : good idea

GaryNemo (10:12 AM) :
A War Legion is vacationing in Hipsheim. Deploy it where?
GaryNemo (10:12 AM) : India seems good.
The Peninsula W W W of LC, with Whale and Mtns.
Jayne (10:13 AM) :
That's what I was thinking... as 2nd unit with archer
GaryNemo (10:13 AM) : Yes, agreed.

GaryNemo (10:14 AM) :
BFL Ferry delivers Caravan, then what? We'll have a Settler at Penguin, and a new Caravan at Beast Flats.
Caravel North 1 square, to finish clearing Black Ocean.
Jayne (10:15 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (10:15 AM) :
Then sail to RC with Caravan. Then back to Beast Flats for next Caravan.
GaryNemo (10:15 AM) :
Penguin Settler, Road and irrigate SW S GrassLand Shield. Penguin starts Temple
Jayne (10:16 AM) :
ok. how about sett to island east of Elysium?
GaryNemo (10:16 AM) :
That must become a priority, yes.
Jayne (10:16 AM) :
or land in aonia, walk to Elysium and get ferry to india?
GaryNemo (10:16 AM) :
Needs Dip Guard. Perhaps MT Settler?
GaryNemo (10:17 AM) :
Yes, the India Ferry can service that new island.
GaryNemo (10:17 AM) :
India Ferry is Cymru Straits. Back to get lost Archer first, yes?
Jayne (10:17 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (10:18 AM) :
Well, have we been clear on all that? I think so.

Jayne (10:18 AM) :
i'm still keen to settle in india asap whilst they are still enthusiastic towards us. by the time they start to get less friendly, we are well defended and established
GaryNemo (10:18 AM) :
Plus they are preoccupied with their war with Spanish
Jayne (10:19 AM) : yes

GaryNemo (10:19 AM) :
New subject? GG Wine near RC: Rehome in RC for delivery to Lahore?
Jayne (10:19 AM) : that sounds good
Do we have enough 'spare' vans for Issac's?
GaryNemo (10:20 AM) :
We have 14 Vans, building another 12, should be ok.
Jayne (10:20 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (10:21 AM) :
You are right, the Wonder is the 'spare' vans. The priority, relentless, is Trade Routes.
Hence, both Silk in Cymru head to LN area.
Jayne (10:21 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (10:22 AM) :
Also Spend IPRB on Nemo Bay Silver. Twice, about $20-30 iirc, Silver in 6 turns.
GaryNemo (10:22 AM) :
Nemo Bay posted in Misc Productivity
Jayne (10:23 AM) :
send silver to Karachi or St. Petes?
GaryNemo (10:23 AM) :
Nemo Bay: serf to Forest, IPRB $2 Silver Van 9/50,
  IPRB=20 $8, Silver Van in 6 (D)
To Madras, its the largest.
Well, current Civvium is going to Madras, then we'll see. Silver is $Big
Jayne (10:24 AM) : Wasn't civvium silver going to madras?
ok... Madras if still demanded
GaryNemo (10:24 AM) :
Yes, Civ Silver, rehome in RC, then to Madras. Nemo Bay is building the NEXT Silver.
Jayne (10:24 AM) : hopefully they want lots of silver
Jayne (10:24 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (10:25 AM) :
If not, we'll build Magellan or Isaac with it. Or a Trade Route into RC, to help one of our 'Chosen Cities', such as Civvium, then CJ, Neuma, etc.
Jayne (10:25 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (10:26 AM) :
Edit: Civvium, Marl Downs, Reneaux, then CJ Neuma TFalls.
RC demands Silver, so we can use it for another Domestic Trade Route at worst.

GaryNemo (10:26 AM) :
Next: Build Q matters: Civ, NB, Ebor, DH, Hip, CJ?
GaryNemo (10:27 AM) :
Civvium, fin Caravan soon, then Caravan, maybe Market would be best.
Jayne (10:27 AM) : Yes, Marketplace, and in CJ too. Lots of trade arrows
GaryNemo (10:28 AM) :
Yes, CJ Settler, irrigates CJ, start Market. Civ starts Market.
GaryNemo (10:28 AM) :
NB, Caravan, then another Caravan.
Jayne (10:28 AM) : yes

GaryNemo (10:28 AM) : Ebor? Dellham? Hip?
Eboracum Caravan, then Settler?
Jayne (10:29 AM) :
I don't think we want too many more units from Dellham without rehoming
Ebor: sounds good
GaryNemo (10:29 AM) :
DH will Celebrate, Knights in 3, rehome in Hip, send to Viking War
GaryNemo (10:30 AM) :
Then DH Caravan?
Jayne (10:30 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (10:30 AM) :
Hip: Finish Dip, then another Dip or Caravan. Not sure about Temple.
Hip can not grow. Better to freeze growth.
Jayne (10:31 AM) :
Hip - how about Coal Van for Susa? We may have found it by then. Otherwise sacrifice it for a wonder.
GaryNemo (10:31 AM) : Yes, a Coal Van next.
Done with Build Qs, I think.
Jayne (10:32 AM) : ok

GaryNemo (10:32 AM) :
Is our Science plan clear? Isaac & Gravity, then Explosive Engineers?
Jayne (10:33 AM) :
That's what was voted for last time. Issacs-Explosives-Theo then Econ and Democ equally last
GaryNemo (10:33 AM) :
The pronouncement from Ministry of Magic, recorded here and now.

GaryNemo (10:34 AM) :
One last think. Someone wanted to Contact the Persians, to trade for tech...
GaryNemo (10:34 AM) :
If we do, wait a turn and discover Banking, switch to Gravity, then...
Jayne (10:35 AM) :
They are receptive, so they might. They have Great Library so I doubt they will want much we're happy to give

GaryNemo (10:36 AM) :
I think we are done. Now the posting details. Please edit your post about the Caravel and Dip, to include the GG Warrior and other specifics. I'll post this whole chat in a new thread. ok?
Jayne (10:36 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (10:36 AM) :
I will also post Caravan Specifics, then we're ready for Oct to Move, eh? The Duke will be pleased.

 

[GaryNemo]

Chat with VP Jayne, Sunday 1000AD

Jayne (7:20 AM) : I can play MP in about 45mins if you like
GaryNemo (7:20 AM) :
Sorry, I doubt it this morning. I'm actually working, not looking at CFC Democ...
Jayne (7:21 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (7:21 AM) : Do you think my Magellan plan is accurate?
Jayne (7:21 AM) : I'll just have another look
GaryNemo (7:22 AM) :
Max Trade caravans flowing, still enough for Magellan, then Isaac, both.
Jayne (7:23 AM) : I think it looks fine
Oct PM'd me and asked me to play on Wed for him.
GaryNemo (7:23 AM) :
Fine, eh? Finally enough to do everything! You! Excellent, your excellency!
We might be ready for you Tues AM, if you want.
Jayne (7:24 AM) :
He said he can only play at weekends...
I can't do Tues AM, but if you're ready I may be able to play in the afternoon. I prefer to play the demo game when Lucy sleeps. Our MP game she can help with!
GaryNemo (7:25 AM) : Yes, its still small and cozy. Not NUF.
Jayne (7:26 AM) : Yes, I need to pay full attention to NUF
GaryNemo (7:26 AM) : Brb

GaryNemo (7:32 AM) :
I need to work for 25 minutes, then we can chat about the game, post this chat, including part about Oct PMing you to play Wednesday. The Neuma Settler, Markets, just a few things, and how to conduct the Celebration. Plus whatever you want.
GaryNemo (7:35 AM) : I'll post in Plans w Jayne 940AD
Jayne (7:36 AM) : ok

Jayne (7:37 AM) : This is what Oct sent to me:
Playing on Wednesdays
Would you be willing to play for me on Wednesdays? Saturdays are really the only days I can devote time properly.
So, could you play each Wednesday for me?
Thanks,
Octavian

GaryNemo (7:54 AM) :
So, Neuma is choked, building a Temple. Talar had one solution, here is another. The Neuma Settler is near MT, walking North to the Udal Ferry. To found Lone Bison. Send a Dip with it.
GaryNemo (7:56 AM) :
The choking affect of Republic on Neuma is worse than I'd planned, but I wanted to found one more city with it (Neuma already founded Cymru Straits), and if we do that it'll be fine, become a great city.
Jayne (7:56 AM) :
Neuma is soon to starve, I suggest moving the plain serf to the river. Gives 1 extra food without losing trade or shields
GaryNemo (7:56 AM) :
I may have moved serfs. One on River, one on Plains road, Food +0
Jayne (7:57 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (7:58 AM) :
The Udal ferry is available, Hips is building the Dip. All ready, fast path to found Lone Bison, seems right to me. Then Neuma zooms w Temple, never a guard, no more settlers.
Edit: start a Harbor or Temple, has Dip, doesn't need a unit. Comments?
Jayne (7:58 AM) : ok

GaryNemo (7:59 AM) :
Three other thorny problems. Indian Invasion, Banana Bay, Bactra. Let's talk Celebration first.
Jayne (7:59 AM) : ok

GaryNemo (7:59 AM) :
Lux 30% will resolve Fort Anarchy, and all other Size=2 cities. So Size=3 becomes our new standard, also Lux=30%. I think that will work, but there's more.
After every turn, I'd like you to check all cities, then recheck at Lux=40% and Lux=30%. Here's why. If there is Food in several cities, we want Lux=40%
Jayne (8:01 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (8:01 AM) :
But we want to plan to throttle back to Lux=30% - probably won't be a problem.
So there are two reasons to end the celebration. 1) Lack of food in any interesting city. and 2) We can't get back to 30% without problems.
Jayne (8:02 AM) :
come back to 30% when we can't celebrate up at 40% anymore?
GaryNemo (8:02 AM) : Not quite. Go to 50% even, or 60%
Jayne (8:02 AM) : ok, I know what you mean
GaryNemo (8:03 AM) :
But we need to look at the soft landing option as we go. Good.
GaryNemo (8:03 AM) :
MD won't do much, sadly, but Civvium will be great. Also Elysium.
GaryNemo (8:04 AM) :
Also Castle Jayne, maybe Mord. Central cities. Be careful of Uppsala.
Jayne (8:04 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (8:04 AM) : MT, TFalls, they will all grow very nicely.
IF we're lucky, an Aquaduct in RC! I'm going to poll that... $Big $Buy
But we need money for details. Shall we discuss the Indian invasion?
Jayne (8:05 AM) : Yes, RC won't grow anymore without an aquaduct
GaryNemo (8:05 AM) :
A shame, but this is Deity, and the AI is hassling us.

Jayne (8:05 AM) : Indian Invasion
GaryNemo (8:06 AM) :
Bribe the Cat, eh? But what about the Trireme? Maybe ignore it?
Jayne (8:07 AM) :
I definately think ignore the ship, not sure about the cat. They are enthusiastic and I can't see them attacking straight away
Maybe meet them first, get them to withdraw?
GaryNemo (8:07 AM) :
It is going to damage the celebration in LC. But the Cat? Bribe it, and rehome it in MT, send it to Trondheim. Bribing is not an act of war, iirc.
Jayne (8:08 AM) : Can we afford it? We only have 379g
GaryNemo (8:09 AM) :
Well, I hope we can. It's far from home, really. 13 squares.
Depends on need for $Bactra money. Hopefully nothing there.
We'll get $some from MD Salt into Elysium.

Jayne (8:10 AM) : So, bribe anyway or negotiate first?
GaryNemo (8:10 AM) :
Is it fair for us the check the bribe price right now? I do not think it will go back on the ship, as you said. I've never seen the AI do that. Shall we shop for a price right now?
It seems we could have before we saved anyway, its not really moving.
Jayne (8:12 AM) :
I don't know... maybe the Duke can answer that for us, then we can all discuss it

GaryNemo (8:13 AM) :
Ok. Now what about BB? We need to dump that Settler out near Routskilde...
Jayne (8:14 AM) : Can BB Sett board the Ebor boat and go to V3?
GaryNemo (8:14 AM) :
That is a great idea! I wasn't sure. That sounds good. Then back for Neuma to Lone Bison.
Jayne (8:15 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (8:15 AM) :
Seems it could be done in three turns easy, and the Ship is coming back to Udal to meet the Neuma Settler and Hips Dip. Great idea, My Queen! You have had your coffee today?
Jayne (8:16 AM) :

GaryNemo (8:17 AM) :
Now Bactra, I have no idea, but am glad reinforcements are coming. You think the AI there is not hostile? "Persians: Receptive, Peace". Hmmm.
Jayne (8:18 AM) :
I think we'll be ok, keep the dip near in case they attack
GaryNemo (8:18 AM) : Yes.
Speaking of Dips, another one was expelled. By the Greeks. And we're sending a Dip with Archer and Legion into Indian Peninsula, eh?
Jayne (8:19 AM) : sounds fine
GaryNemo (8:19 AM) :
Just to make camp in the Mountains there. Observe. Hide.
Jayne (8:20 AM) :
I noticed an indian phal near sverd. I wonder if they are fighting?
GaryNemo (8:21 AM) :
I think not intruding on any city radius... Fighting?
GaryNemo (8:21 AM) :
I hope the Indians are preoccupied, there were many Catapults over there earlier. Maybe the Indians will trade maps again?
Jayne (8:21 AM) : Worth trying
GaryNemo (8:22 AM) :
What could we give them? Not Navigation, I hope not. Maybe Literacy or such. Even Mono, not sure. hope someone else comments on giving which tech, eh?
Jayne (8:23 AM) :
Our noble science advisor maybe!
GaryNemo (8:24 AM) :
Yes, naervod. I wonder where Consular Leowind went off to?

GaryNemo (8:24 AM) :
Reneaux remains. It needs irrigation Right Now. Two Settlers near there.
DH Settler is working on Irr, very important.
Other is wandering. Come back W NW charge. Then NW and help the first settler.
Jayne (8:25 AM) : good idea
GaryNemo (8:25 AM) : Can you see the Ren serfs?
I think the River NW of Ren has a serf, and is the next irrigation target. For both Setts.
Jayne (8:26 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (8:26 AM) :
Ren will be Size=6, maybe even Size=7 if this happens fast enough. Probably won't.

GaryNemo (8:27 AM) :
Gold shipment is coming up for delivery to Ren. RC Gold is with the guard Dip, near GG. 5 turns to Ren. We need River Diagonal Roads some day.
Jayne (8:28 AM) : ok
GaryNemo (8:28 AM) :
Maybe drop back and rehome is Ely, might pay more. Not sure.. Let's think...
Ren to RC is 5*1.5 + 3 = 10.5
Ely to Ren is 11 + 2*1.5 = 14. So go rehome in Ely, seems to me.
Jayne (8:29 AM) : yes
GaryNemo (8:29 AM) :
Total walking is 17, 7 turns rather than 5, I'd rather have $more later.

I'm running out of time. Going to meet wife at a lecture in 30 minutes, need time to edit and post this. Anything else?
Jayne (8:32 AM) :
I don't think so. Hopefully others will add to this discussion.
GaryNemo (8:32 AM) : Yes. Bye.

 

[Jayne]

Everyone please discuss this.... particularly what to do about the Indian Catapult near Monks Towne. Ignore? Bribe? Ask to withdraw?

 

[GaryNemo]

The Duke has heard our plea for price information:

  "Done. 166 gold for the catapult. 176 gold for the trireme.
  -DoM"

Jayne has suggested we resolve the Banana Bay starvation (a leftover problem from the disband of Roskilde) by founding V3 (W W of Uppsala), since the Viborg Settler is kaput. That sounds great to me, kills two birds with one stone.

So now what about Lindow Moss? 1. Keep the settler, road and irrigate for Uppsala so we can get the Iron going. 2. Switch LM to Caravan, valuable Gems are demanded by Lahore. With the new peat serf, the Van can sail south shortly, rehome in RC.