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Play from behind challenge

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by vicawoo, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    Backstabber posted a game which turns out to be a very interesting challenge.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=410045



    Emperor, isolation, he's semi-stalled his economy in late early game.

    My challenge:
    Can you win liberalism?
    Can you win the astronomy race?

    How soon can you reach tech parity?
    You must play from that first save, not the 4000 BC.
    And you're not allowed to use knowledge from previous runs, you should play as you would expect on emperor difficulty

    Decisions:
    1) various micromanagement decisions
    2) tech path (for example I skip AH until after monarchy)
    3) great people - how will you choose to use them? (my last run I went golden age before academy)
    4) which additional cities do you build/extra pop do you grow using hereditary

    I've done about 4 runs so far.

    My latest strategy/tactics:
    delete lots of units, use a lot of workers to fogbust.
    finish fishing, polytheism, priesthood, monarchy, code of laws.
    Skip alphabet for now
    Only settle nearby commerce cities and where the existing settler currently is. HR is too expensive. Except at the capital. Far cities = too much maintenance.
    Try not to use hereditary rule to run more specialists.
    Plains riverside cottages, to help keep cities smaller.
    Don't settle the south pigs until we're close to astronomy.
     
  2. VoiceOfUnreason

    VoiceOfUnreason Deity

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  3. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    Okay deleted post as I had done previous run.

    Are you banning use of mids?
     
  4. JammerUno

    JammerUno King

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    How does one make regular games BUG compatible? I'd like to try this but without BUG it's a pain to play.

    And I mean regular saves, not 4000 BC ones, the problem I'm having is that WB saving and playing as scenario is setting the turns to 0 and the year to 600 A.D.
     
  5. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    I do a lot of things from behind.

    So I'll have to try this.
     
  6. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    I think somebody already built the pyramids. You have to use that first 500 BC save (the one in the first post of that link).

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    No restrictions except no cheating and no using using future knowledge if you reroll. You're already pretty far behind in isolation.
    I worldbuildered out a gold mine that popped in my 4th run, since I didn't get it in other runs and it would ruin my comparisons.

    I'm having a lot of fun with this, it's one of those challenges where you have to squeeze out a lot through optimization.
     
  7. JammerUno

    JammerUno King

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    Tried it, it's doable. Once you get astro and trade for some happiness it looks like a breeze. Emperor AI won't do anything spectacular and the islands' only shortcoming is the lack of happiness.

    First thing I did was delete most units, second get writing alpha and currency for building wealth/research, third getting some GSs and bulb optics and astro. Once you get currency you can settle some more cities since they can run 2 specs and build wealth to offset the upkeep.

    Too bad it's on epic speed, everything takes forever: I can't be bothered to continue from astro.
     
  8. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    What was your time? Have you reached parity yet? How many AI have astronomy?
     
  9. JammerUno

    JammerUno King

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    1190 A.D. Astro, only one AI has it, and I should be able to trade my way up to somewhere I can bulb something to trade again. That northern city can run tons of specs. With 2 copper, 2 iron and 2 stone you can pretty much trade for 6 happiness. And Once I manage to trade for lib and go into FR, that will start helping as well.

    I didn't play perfectly, not near it really. I don't really see the point in going after lib. To have any chance at it you'll need to ignore the optics/astro line, and astro gives every city a 6gpt boost in TR income, but what really clinches it for me is the happiness. HR just isn't effective as an empire wide strategy. Once you can trade, you can grow your cities, start working cottages effectively, and generate some real GPP.

    In retrospecs, math makes more sense than alpha, you can pick up gold on the HG, and building research is obviously less effective than wealth, so there's definitely room for improvement there. I also bulbed optics in the hopes of trading it, but only one AI lacked it, so not really worth the wasted beakers. I would advise settling the first GS, then having the other two for astro when you get there.
     
  10. Kesshi

    Kesshi Emperor

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    Is there any way I could convince you to do things from behind in a youtube video?
     
  11. Bei1052

    Bei1052 Emperor

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    The city placement makes me die a little inside.
     
  12. vicawoo

    vicawoo Chieftain

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    Wow all the AI had astronomy in my games at like 900 AD, and liberalism went earlier.
     
  13. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    Maybe. Right now I'm thinking about a solo run of SGOTM 12 and still have another series awaiting the completion of the current gandhi LP. I'm also still training to become a good HOMM III player (I've made a lot of strides, but am far from perfect). I'll try to work this in as an LP but that might prove a bit difficult/delayed.
     
  14. JammerUno

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    I expect it has something to to with the founding of religions and the likes.

    Still, widespread pre-1000AD astro shouldn't happen often on emp; it hardly happens on imm.
     

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