1. We have added the ability to collapse/expand forum categories and widgets on forum home.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. All Civ avatars are brought back and available for selection in the Avatar Gallery! There are 945 avatars total.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. To make the site more secure, we have installed SSL certificates and enabled HTTPS for both the main site and forums.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Civ6 is released! Order now! (Amazon US | Amazon UK | Amazon CA | Amazon DE | Amazon FR)
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Dismiss Notice
  6. Forum account upgrades are available for ad-free browsing.
    Dismiss Notice

Please improve English stability

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by Bobby Martnen, Mar 31, 2018.

  1. Bobby Martnen

    Bobby Martnen Democracy Manifest: CivFanatics 1984

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    801
    Location:
    Königsberg
    I've tried a couple times this week, and it's impossible to achieve the first UHV without losing cities to secession because of low stability.

    Is there a strategy I'm missing?

    If not, Absinthe please give them like 5 extra stability points, so that they don't collapse so easily
     
  2. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    258
    I’ve been told by other people that the trick is to take Scotland first and then France. On the other hand, I actually did UHV1 France-first because I kept rerolling starts until I got one where I could capture Paris immediately :goodjob:
     
    Bobby Martnen likes this.
  3. Bobby Martnen

    Bobby Martnen Democracy Manifest: CivFanatics 1984

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    801
    Location:
    Königsberg
    I tried that, but got the event where Scotland declared independence like 3 turns after they collapsed.

    Was this on the 1200 start?
     
  4. Osakasayama

    Osakasayama In decline

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2010
    Messages:
    66
    Location:
    St. Louis
    It's been a while since I last played England, but my strategy was to rush Scotland ASAP before they start building those crappy cities.
    Raze everything but Edinburgh and maybe Inverness, and make sure to have a few troops nearby (but not within the city, they might flip) to put down insurrections.
     
  5. The Turk

    The Turk Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2008
    Messages:
    2,161
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Canada
    Stability across the board needs to be raised for all Empires. The threshold for secession is currently too low, even when you are sticking only to historical areas.
     
    Bobby Martnen likes this.
  6. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    258
    My issue with stability is civics, in that the Feudal combination of civics is basically the best set of civics bar none for stability and everything else until the very end of the game by which point it’s irrelevant
     
    Jarlaxe Baenre likes this.
  7. Bobby Martnen

    Bobby Martnen Democracy Manifest: CivFanatics 1984

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2013
    Messages:
    801
    Location:
    Königsberg
    I agree. Stability is way harder in RFCE than in SoI or DoC.
     
  8. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    258
    Harder than DoC? I wouldn’t say that necessarily, there’s some finicky stuff that’s hard to handle in that mod when you’re going for UHVs

    Harder than SoI? Sure, I remember reaching +80 during Golden Ages sometimes there :crazyeye:
     
    Bobby Martnen likes this.
  9. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    8,077
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    I absolutely agree with that. Civics need some massive updates.
    Hopefully I will have time to get on those too in one of the next versions.
     
    Mammon, DC123456789 and cmakk1012 like this.
  10. El Bogus

    El Bogus Chieftain

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2009
    Messages:
    410
    Location:
    Leipzig, Germany
    I just wanted to say that I don't have problems with stability (playing on Emperor) and if there are problems they are justified. I would even suggest the opposite: except for conquest, stability is too easy (reaching +100 stability with France for example). That said, prerequisite for a healthy stability is a healthy set of civics (Militarism from the get go, etc.)
    City secession could be handled differently sometimes. Spawn some barbs when you have low stability for example. That way - if you lose your city - not all of your culture is lost. You can just capture it back.
     
  11. gilgames

    gilgames Priest-King

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2012
    Messages:
    744
    Location:
    Budapest, Hungary
    I think stability is fine...
    Conquest is hard as allways
     
  12. Swarbs

    Swarbs Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    975
    Likewise, I was fine with England on Emperor.

    The trick is to go slowly and not try to grow too big too fast. You have until 1453AD to get the UHV, take it one step at a time. IIRC my strategy was:

    Stage 1: Conquer Wales and Paris, which was undefended on spawn, then Nantes which was indie
    Stage 2: Sue for peace with France, gave them some gold, conquer / settle Ireland whilst building manor houses in all cities
    Stage 3: Invade Scotland, capture Edinburgh. Now building courthouses
    Stage 4: Return to France, capture another couple of cities and collapse them. Mop up the indie cities, just one Burgundian city to deal with in Orleans. Manor and courthouses in all cities in France
    Stage 5: Back to Scotland, kill them and raze cities, build Inverness. Manor and courthouse first builds
    Stage 6: Capture the Burgundian city one turn before the UHV deadline. Mop up Burgundy at leisure once UHV is done

    At every stage, check the happiness and health of your cities. Don't let cities go unhappy or unhealthy whilst conquering as that will kill the stability as well. Only one war at once, always building stability buildings first and foremost.
     
    Bobby Martnen and DC123456789 like this.
  13. gilgames

    gilgames Priest-King

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2012
    Messages:
    744
    Location:
    Budapest, Hungary
    Basicly as long as you can have Paris at start you are good to go. Then conquer slowly as Denmark...
     

Share This Page