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Please sell me on this game.

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Davor, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. mrhell

    mrhell Chieftain

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    I wouldn't put too much stock into paid reviews...they aren't going to end the supply of pre-release free games by giving a big-name game from a large developer a bad review. Go for the reviews by people who have actually shelled out their own money for it.
     
  2. Davor

    Davor Prince

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    I am finding the demo slow. While I am only on turn 61, game almost done, I can't see myself getting any further I am still in the clasical age in the tech race. I made my 2nd city, and surprised I am the only one to have done so.

    City growth is only 1/4 now. So people are unhappy so they stop having sex eh? LOL. :p.

    Does the game speed up? I do find the combat fun and different.

    Still not sold on it. My fear is that I will only be able to play on small maps. Does anyone have minimum specs, play on larger maps without any problems?
     
  3. radiospace

    radiospace Chieftain

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    To the OP: Here's why I think Civ 5 is a great game (so far -- I'm still on my first playthrough so who knows what I will encounter in the 2nd half of this game)

    --- There's a much greater sense of a story unfolding than there was in Civ IV. In Civ IV, I found that the AI rarely fought amongst themselves, or if they did, they were often pointless skirmishes that didn't result in any real shift in the balance of power, just a mutual squandering of resources. In Civ V, the wars amongst the AI powers are much more dramatic and decisive, and the city-states also tend to get caught up in (and gobbled up by) these roiling conflicts. In my current game, my neighbor Russia is behind me technologically, but is double my size as a result of mercilessly crushing every city-state it could lay its hands on. Meanwhile, across the sea, the Iroquois in a quick, brutal war wiped out the larger Songhai to make themselves into the world's only superpower, 3 times my size and maybe unstoppable. In a way these situations take me back to the original Civilization (Civ I, or whatever you want to call it), where it was a real challenge to win, not so much because the AI was clever or could beat you in a face-to-face even match, but simply because in a survival-of-the-fittest contest of randomly evolving empires, one of them was usually going to draw a strong enough hand to turn into a powerful if clumsy nemesis. Compared to playing Civ IV, sailing around the world the first time and seeing all the turmoil already in action, running into city-states whose greeting is, "Help!" right before they get annihilated, watching from the sea as one army rolls over a whole continent whose interior you've never seen -- it's all very lively and compelling compared to Civ IV, which to me was often more like a still life of a bowl of fruit, diplomacy-wise.

    --- I really, really like the Social Policy system that they've replaced the old Civics with. With the Civics, depending on your style of play, there was usually a combination you gravitated towards in every game, wearing a rut through the annals of history as you replayed the same strategy over and over again. In Civ 5, the social policies are far too numerous to grab them all, as slowly as the culture that buys them fills up, so you have to make hard, strategic choices about which direction to take things. Perhaps my favorite thing about the Social Policies is the way they set it up so you have to spend a choice just to open up a new branch to access the policies therein. This makes it most efficient to completely exploit just a couple of the social policy branches. (Conversely, it'd be terribly inefficient to pick a single policy from each branch, as you'd essentially pay double for each choice, the first expenditure being to open up each new branch.) Since the various branches are pretty equally compelling depending on the situation, there's some real strategy involved, and the cost of opening up a new branch of the tree forces you to think ahead to what you are going to want access to in several hundred years' time. There's no more running your government as a libertine, market economy right up until you need to convert your entire society into a fascist police state to support the conquest of the world you've been dreaming about for 2,000 years. Now, you have to pay your dues on the way up to have access to all the military advantages that you'll want for that big war, and to get them you're going to have to skip a lot, maybe most, of the more peaceful, wealth-and-science-creating choices.

    --- I love the way cities expand a single hex at a time now, as well as the way you can buy hexes that you've got your eye on. Countries are now far more organic and interesting-looking, and like in the real world, their shapes have meaning -- we're building down the river to control all the fertile land, or we're growing out into those mountains with silver veins running through them. And, the fact that cities can work irregular shaped territory frees up the placement of cities. You still are cognizant of how close the nearest cities are, but it's not as dogmatic of a decision as it used to be, counting tiles over to figure out how far away you needed to be to have the minimum overlap. For example, I was able to build my third city, somewhat realistically, on the coast, knowing that I could grow inland to grab the resources I needed, while maintaining a harbor to build my first navy with access to the eastern oceans. In Civ IV had I built the city there, I'd have permanently lost access to some valuable resources that fell in between two cities.

    --- I really, really love having to pay upkeep on roads, forcing you to only build roads you absolutely need. This is a huge improvement over the spaghetti mess that all previous versions of Civ encouraged when it comes to road building. Not only does the map look a heck of a lot better, but the sparse road networks become important strategic objectives, allowing you to fight to keep your one road open in order to allow movement of your troops to the front lines.

    What don't I like? I don't like how sluggish it runs on my decent-but-not-great computer. (i.e. GeForce GTS 250 vid card). Since this machine runs Starcraft 2 like a dream, I would have expected it to be easily adequate for a Civilization game, a franchise that has always been democratically accessible to those with aging computers, laptops, or trying perhaps to run under Boot Camp on a Mac with a less-than-stellar video card. Instead, Civ 5 is a brutal resource hog. With moderate video quality settings it sometimes takes 2 to 3 seconds for the textures to fill in on the screen. I can live with it but if you are hesitant about buying it you should have realistic expectations about performance. I may decide to buy a better video card to try and help it along. I never thought I'd be driven to upgrade my video card to play Civilization.

    I'm also slightly irked at some of the weird little bugs and stuff I've run into. I guess it's to be expected but the stuff I've encountered seems worse than anything I've seen in the Civ series at least since CivNet.

    I'm confident that these things will be fixed in a patch, and anyway I'm having more fun with Civ 5 right now than I have with any game in quite a few long years. The worst case scenario is the longer I'll play it, the more issues I'll find with it, until I don't dig it anymore. But even if that happens, to me it's very much worth 50 bucks to be enjoying it right now for what it is, which is a very fresh and interesting take on Civilization.
     
  4. Wardancing

    Wardancing Warlord

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    As has been answered, Steam will need to run when you want to play.

    Theres a Lets Play Civ5 video on youtube, i believe 10 minutes a piece and 13 parts.
    Heres part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iWM8BpzLis

    Should give you a feel for the game, at least more than the demo.
     
  5. Davor

    Davor Prince

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    Thanks Radio space, I am tempted to get it. The thing I do not like is when you said it's a resource hog. Yeah I knew about it, but if you have a better computer than me, I am worried. Are you playing on DX 9 or DX 10/11? If on DX 9 them I am really worried.
     
  6. Ossian

    Ossian Warlord

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    Despite my other raging about how much this game really sets me off, I can say that it is actually fun. I honestly don't believe it is better than civ4 but it is fun, and its great to be playing civ again, I haven't yet finished the game so I can't sound off about it too much.

    Honestly, if you love civ, get it, it's civ, its different, its fun, its not a bad game. When I play a game no matter how bad the hype failed or how much people dislike or like it, I always go down to the one factor that matters.

    Is this as entertaining as say a movie? Movie ticket = $10 for 2 1/2 hours of fun (Sometimes) Civ = easily 100+ hours of fun, sometimes people play it 1000 hours.
    Civ is only about $45-55
    It is fun.

    Do the math.
     
  7. Davor

    Davor Prince

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    I am starting to agree with you Ossian. I have a few more questions. I find the first 60 turns slow. Does the pace of the game speed up?

    Also can someone post a few screens of the Earth Map. I thought in another post, someone posted a pic, and I swore it was Africa. Can someone please post a few pics of all of the earth map. This will be my deciding factor in getting the game.

    I just love playing on an Earth map for some reason.
     
  8. Davor

    Davor Prince

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    I havn't seen this in other threads. Can anyone post any pics of the Earth Map please.
     

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