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Police take Revenge on supporters of Woman arrested for Videotaping Police

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by SG-17, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. Loppan Torkel

    Loppan Torkel Deity

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    It's too easy to lay the blame on the policemen.
    How would you like being filmed while in a stressful situation on your job, or secretly while working, and then reported to the media if you happened to have done your job less than perfectly?

    I'd be pissed and I'd sympathize with my colleagues.
     
  2. SG-17

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    It doesn't matter. It was completely legal.
     
  3. Loppan Torkel

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    I know, but it doesn't mean I will support the woman for taking advantage of these legal rights or get riled up for some following penalties, within legal bounds.

    I'm sure there's a story behind this which I'm unaware of, but it's about abuse of power and from the looks of it, the woman started it by filming, no matter how legal it is.
     
  4. Ahovking

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    The First Video: the police on right once again the police are the law that u must obey the law and if u dont like the law vote for better politicians and if their is none well maybe you should become one and get the law change .....simple

    The Second Video: 1-2 cm's off 12cm yeah that over doing it but once again they are just doing their job
     
  5. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Exactly. If he's doing his job correctly, then there's nothing for him to fear.

    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
     
  6. JollyRoger

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    If it was really all that tough to deal with the public nature of my job, I would get a job less public in nature.
    Nope, the cops started it by being within public view of a camera.
     
  7. Syterion

    Syterion Voodoo Economist

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    Sounds like many a rape defense.

    Seriously though, the officer's job is to be able to enforce the law even under stressful situations. Although I'm being extremely loose with the term if I'm calling that stressful. Being filmed while searching a compliant person with backup? OMG what to do? The simple answer is just to continue doing your job without abusing your power.

    And ahovking, good luck not getting ignored with posts like that.

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  8. Loppan Torkel

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    You always see it like this? If you're in a position to be filmed, you should accept being filmed no matter where, when or what consequences it may bring, as long it's legal?

    Women being filmed in public restrooms comes to mind. It's their fault for being within public view?!

    I'd also hate patients filming in hospitals for a chance of suing some doctor who makes a mistake as any human may. People make mistakes all the time, but some positions in society make these people far more vulnerable than others. Those positions may require a bit more protection.


    Court rooms are protected from filming by law, aren't they?
     
  9. SG-17

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    Public restrooms != public property. The sidewalk and streets = public property.
     
  10. Loppan Torkel

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    Do you have laws against filming in public restrooms?
     
  11. SG-17

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    It is considered voyeurism and as such the laws vary by state.

    However you are allowed to film anyone or anything that is on public property. Streets, sidewalks, parks, etc.
     
  12. madviking

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    This has got to be the 12,394,785,723,450,932,748,209,375th case of something like this happening. :sleep:

    But don't get me wrong. The cops are still abusing their power. So it's good that there are so many of these instances.
     
  13. JollyRoger

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    There is a reasonable expectation of privacy in a restroom, even a public one. That is why there are walls, stalls, and restrictions on the gender who may enter. Depending on the nature of the filming and its distribution, the filmed person may have at least a civil claim against the filmer and the filmer may be subject to criminal liability.

    A hospital is a business establishment that can prevent filming once you are on the hospital's property.

    A court, subject to permissions and limitations set by statute or the higher courts in the jurisdicton can allow or restrict filming and put conditions on any filming it allows. Nevertheless, a court reporter is taking down every word on the record (and very possibly these days, the words are being recorded in audio format), so even a judge is leaving a record that can be scrutinized for abuse.

    If a cop testifying at trial realizes that the court reporter is taking down his words (or even recording them in audio format) in the stressful situation of answering questions under cross examination from a defense attorney, is it the court reporter that "started it" if the cop gets up off the stand and confronts the court reporter? Should we not record the cop's testimony to make his job less stressful? Maybe let him testify via conference call from the beach?

    A cop on a public street, while in plain view of a camera on the filmer's private property or while the filmer is on public property, has no reasonable expectation of privacy. In fact, in a growing number of jurisdictions, the cop is filmed and knows he is being filmed by a camera of his own patrol car.

    And how are cops more vulnerable than anyone else? They are walking around with guns and the authority to arrest.
     
  14. deanej

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    Revenue probably played a major role here too. Rochester is just as broke as the state.

    Last I checked, the police are not (or are at least not supposed to be) above the law.
     
  15. Trajan12

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    If I was being given weapons and the authority to use them as I see fit to enforce the law as I see fit, I'd find it perfectly reasonable to submit to whatever legal checks the population wanted to impose. With power comes responsibility.
     
  16. metatron

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    The tickets are silly really, but that doesn't bother me that much.
    The Cop who did the original arrest though clearly has to go to prison.
    It's just plain abduction. Mob rule. That he's wearing a uniform that indicates he should do better while he's doing it only makes it worse.
    If you had watched the video in the OP you'd know that being respectful doesn't help.

    Edit: Ah, sorry, Systerion already had this.
    Do we have a name for this? A special case of Poe's law? An argument that is so failed in that specific respect, it cannot be Godwined any more?
     
  17. Loppan Torkel

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    If it's done secretly, put on youtube and only after this discovered..?! Under what law would this be punishable?
    Same here. Would a video, if filmed secretly even against any business regulations, be disregarded as evidence by a court? I suspect no one in Sweden at least would be convicted for anything if they had videotaped in a hospital, private or public.
    Your courts are hopefully not biased toward any part. All parts are also prepared for it and under similar circumstances. If Fox News journalists were the only ones recording it would be more similar to the event described in the OP.
    Probably a smart move.
    So?! There are other ways to hurt people than with guns. I'd say cops are fairly easy and vulnerable targets nowadays.
     
  18. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    People keep saying: "Cops don't know what rights we have!"

    If a right is a right on paper and not in practice then it is no longer a right.
     
  19. Perfection

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    Way to foster community support, coppers.
     
  20. Yeekim

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    I am always in support of writing out tickets to lousy parkers, no matter the circumstances.

    As for the arrest that started it... yeah, I might get pissed too if someone purposefully started videotaping me while I´m on public duty. That might be a sign s/he doesn't trust me or is preparing to frame me. However, letting myself actually be distracted by that or, moreover, attempting something completely illegal - like arresting him/her, is just about the stupidest thing to do. Plus, it proves s/he was actually very much right to distrust my competency and judgement.
     

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